Re: RFC1984 still needed...

Joseph Lorenzo Hall <hall@isoc.org> Mon, 18 November 2019 02:56 UTC

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From: Joseph Lorenzo Hall <hall@isoc.org>
To: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>, IETF discussion list <ietf@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: RFC1984 still needed...
Thread-Topic: RFC1984 still needed...
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here is the final text of the statement, sorry for a very poor PDF. The rhetoric here is totally beyond the pale in my opinion and erroneous in many places. best, Joe

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Subject: RFC1984 still needed...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-interpol-encryption-exclusive/exclusive-interpol-plans-to-condemn-encryption-spread-citing-predators-sources-say-idUSKBN1XR0S7

   Brian