Re: Thought experiment [Re: Quality of Directorate reviews]

Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net> Fri, 08 November 2019 06:25 UTC

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Subject: Re: Thought experiment [Re: Quality of Directorate reviews]
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On 11/7/2019 11:44 AM, Nico Williams wrote:
> Yes.  That includes faster RFC-Editor turnarounds.  If we remove the
> other bottlenecs, then RFC-Editor queue time will become the next
> bottleneck to address.

That's not what the numbers say. I took a hard look at the delays in
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-huitema-rfc-eval-project-01, and the
RFC Editor queue time is by no means the largest part of the delay from
1st draft to RFC publication. The RFC Edition delay proper is about 2
months on average, plus about 1 month on average for the Auth48 period.
The edition delay does not vary much, but the Auth48 delay varies a lot,
and the main reason for this variability is the responsiveness of the
authors.

In the path from 1st draft to RFC, the bulk of the delays happen in the
working group. In my sample set, the average delay from start to finish
is 3 years and 3 months, of which on average 2 years and 8 months are
spent getting consensus in the working group.

-- Christian Huitema