RE: Quality of Directorate reviews

"Rob Wilton (rwilton)" <rwilton@cisco.com> Wed, 06 November 2019 11:42 UTC

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From: "Rob Wilton (rwilton)" <rwilton@cisco.com>
To: Ralph Droms <rdroms.ietf@gmail.com>, Alexey Melnikov <alexey.melnikov@isode.com>
CC: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>, ietf <ietf@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: Quality of Directorate reviews
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Perhaps RFCs could list (within the document) who reviewed/approved them, and in which role/capacity the review had been performed.

This could serve two purposes:
 - some minimal reward for those individuals taking the time to review the document,
 - encouragement for the reviewers to ensure that an adequate review has been performed based on the role/capacity in which they are acting. 

Rob


> -----Original Message-----
> From: ietf <ietf-bounces@ietf.org>; On Behalf Of Ralph Droms
> Sent: 06 November 2019 11:03
> To: Alexey Melnikov <alexey.melnikov@isode.com>;
> Cc: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>;; ietf <ietf@ietf.org>;
> Subject: Re: Quality of Directorate reviews
> 
> 
> 
> > On Nov 6, 2019, at 5:34 AM, Alexey Melnikov <alexey.melnikov@isode.com>;
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Michael,
> >
> > On 05/11/2019 21:50, Michael Richardson wrote:
> >>
> >> Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>; wrote:
> >>> If we want the IESG job to be more reasonably sized, we have to take
> >>> work away from the ADs. As far as I can see, that means taking away
> >>> their duty of acting as final reviewers. I don't want to name names
> >>> because I don't think the ADs are to be blamed individually, but
> >>> some of them spend *enormous* effort on detailed reviews.
> >>
> >> +1
> >>
> >> I think that there is a lack of trust by ADs of the various
> directorates.
> >
> > Other ADs have commented on this, but I think I need to repeat what
> > they said and expand on it.
> >
> > Results are vary varied. Some are quite good (e.g. Gen-Art) and others
> > really depend on reviewer. ADs responsible for Directorates are faces
> > with the choice of firing half of their Directorates (which has some
> > rather unfortunate consequences) and/or raise the bar on who should be
> > allowed to join. We already struggle to recruit people at all levels
> > of our organization.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Alexey
> 
> We shouldn't be depending on last-minute quality checks to maintain the
> quality of our output.  Working groups should be producing documents that
> are ready to publish, and develop trust that their documents are high
> quality.
> 
> - Ralph
> 
> >