ISDs [was: Last Call: <draft-ietf-dhc-anonymity-profile-06.txt> (Anonymity profile for DHCP clients) to Proposed Standard]

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Tue, 23 February 2016 19:02 UTC

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Subject: ISDs [was: Last Call: <draft-ietf-dhc-anonymity-profile-06.txt> (Anonymity profile for DHCP clients) to Proposed Standard]
To: Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>, Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com>, Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@google.com>
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From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
Organization: University of Auckland
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On 24/02/2016 07:44, Stephen Farrell wrote:
> 
> Hiya,
> 
> On 23/02/16 18:36, Fernando Gont wrote:
>>
>> That said... isn't this an indication that we should converge on
>> *something* regarding the meaning of "updates"? (i.e., it should be
>> clear what it means, and what rules should be applied when deciding when
>> a "Updates" tag is warranted or not)
> 
> In theory, yes. I don't find it to be something that I'd prioritise
> myself. I suspect attempts to "fix" this would open a can of worms
> about the general semantics of relationships between RFCs and would
> likely end up being very hard to get done, and with not much benefit
> at the end.

It's clear that there is a problem with "updates", "obsoletes", "normative
reference" and "informative reference" being the only clearly defined
relationships between documents. Sometimes you just need to read a group
of documents with none of these relationships to get the whole picture.

We have a draft solution:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-klensin-isdbis-00

    Brian