Re: Appointment of a Transport Area Director
Joe Touch <touch@isi.edu> Tue, 05 March 2013 18:39 UTC
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On 3/5/2013 10:33 AM, Dave Crocker wrote: > Joe, > > On 3/5/2013 10:28 AM, Joe Touch wrote: >> On 3/4/2013 2:19 PM, Dave Crocker wrote: >>> >> ... >>> ADs do not 'lead' the work of their area. They do not initiate >>> the work, produce the charters or write the specifications. Work that >>> fails or succeeds does so because it has community consensus and demand, >>> not because an AD was diligent or clever. The job of an AD is to >>> facilitate community efforts, not to direct them. >> >> ADs also comprise the IESG, which reviews RFCs before publication. >> >> We should not expect to appoint IESG members that need a tutorial on >> basic protocol principles. Further, if the TSV AD can't stand up for >> cong control and other TSV-specific work or TSV-specific concerns raised >> on other drafts, then who will? > > > If you can explain how your note relates to mine, I'd appreciate it. I took your point as suggesting that an AD could get by with less background because they weren't leaders. In the past, ADs have either been people who do lead, or have led in the recent past. If that's not your intent, I still stand by my post as relating to the overall thread, but apologize for any confusion. Joe
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