Re: Want to be on the IESG?

Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> Thu, 07 October 2021 20:46 UTC

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Subject: Re: Want to be on the IESG?
To: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>, Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>
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From: Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
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On 10/7/21 4:41 PM, Toerless Eckert wrote:

> There is no IETF document or IETF leadership statement telling them not to.
> So why should they not ?

 From RFC 7154: "IETF Guidelines for Conduct"

    3. IETF participants devise solutions for the global Internet that
       meet the needs of diverse technical and operational environments.

       The mission of the IETF is to produce high-quality, relevant
       technical and engineering documents that influence the way people
       design, use, and manage the Internet in such a way as to make the
       Internet work better.  The IETF puts its emphasis on technical
       competence, rough consensus, and individual participation, and it
       needs to be open to competent input from any source.  We
       understand that "scaling is the ultimate problem" and that many
       ideas that are quite workable on a small scale fail this crucial
       test.

       IETF participants use their best engineering judgment to find the
       best solution for the whole Internet, not just the best solution
       for any particular network, technology, vendor, or user.

(similar language is also in RFC 3184)

Keith