Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrative Procedures

Marshall Eubanks <> Fri, 11 April 2008 14:31 UTC

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Subject: Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrative Procedures
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Dear Ray;

I support these changes. I have one nit.

On Apr 10, 2008, at 9:21 PM, Ray Pelletier wrote:

> The Trustees have considered the comments from the list and propose  
> the following amended revisions to the Trust Administrative  
> Procedures.  The Trustees propose to take action at its April 17th  
> meeting and will consider all comments received by that date.
> 2. The Trustees shall select one Trustee to serve as the Chair of  
> the Trust.
> a. The following Trustees are not eligible to serve as IETF Chair:
>     1. ISOC President
>     2. IAB Chair
>     3. IETF Chair
>     4. ISOC IAOC Appointee
>     5. IAD
> b. The term of the Trust Chair shall be one year from the time of  
> selection or the remaining time of his or her tenure as a Trustee,  
> whichever is less.  An individual may serve any number of terms as  
> Chair, if selected by the Trustees.
> c. The Chair serves at the pleasure of the Trustees and may be  
> removed from that position at any time by a vote of 2/3 of the  
> voting Trustees, not counting the Trust Chair.
> d. The Chair shall convene and preside over meetings of the Trustees  
> but shall have no other powers or authority beyond his or her powers  
> as a Trustee.  If the Trust Chair is not available, then any other  
> Trustee may convene or preside over meetings of the Trustees in the   
> absence of the Trust Chair.

> 4. The Trust Agreement defines the quorum and voting rules for a  
> meeting. Motions passed by electronic means between meetings shall  
> be confirmed by a vote at the next possible meeting.
> 12. The Trustees are the current members of the IAOC.

I would prefer simply  "The Trustees are current members of the IAOC."  
as IAOC members who have not agreed in writing to become a Trustee are  


> When a member leaves the IAOC for whatever reason, he or she ceases  
> to be a Trustee. When a new member joins the IAOC, he or she becomes  
> a Trustee upon his or her agreement in writing to fulfill the duties  
> of a Trustee, as specified in the Trust Agreement.
> a. If at any time the IAOC ceases to exist, or there are fewer than  
> three Trustees, then the IESG, or its successor, shall appoint  
> Trustees in accordance with Article VI of the Trust Agreement.
> Ray
> Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>> On 2008-04-10 07:04, John C Klensin wrote:
>>> --On Wednesday, 09 April, 2008 13:50 -0400 Ed Juskevicius
>>> <> wrote:
>>>> John, you wrote:
>>>>> Then recommend to the community that the Trust Agreement be
>>>>> changed.
>>>> The Trustees are not talking about changing the terms of the
>>>> Trust Agreement, so this should not be necessary.
>>> Good.  But I was just trying to suggest, following what I
>>> thought I saw in Marshall's note, that, if the Trust Agreement
>>> is defective, one could try to change it.  The other option is
>>> to conform to it.  Ignoring it and adopting procedures or
>>> polices inconsistent with it --even if one believes those
>>> policies will never be triggered-- is a non-starter.
>>>>> I am worried about the IAOC and/or Trustees adopting
>>>>> procedures that are inconsistent with the Trust Agreement.
>>>> Me too! It is not the intention of the Trustees to adopt
>>>> procedures that are inconsistent with the Trust Agreement.
>>>>> if anything is going to be said, it needs to be consistent
>>>>> with the Trust Agreement _and_ reflect the desires and intent
>>>>> of the community.
>>>> I agree.
>>> I think we are in synch.
>> I agree with the above, and I assure everybody that the intent
>> was always exactly that. There's definitely an error in the way
>> the current procedures were drafted; it was my error, and I have
>> evry confidence that the current Trustees will fix it.
>>     Brian
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