Re: Remote participation fees
John Leslie <john@jlc.net> Sat, 14 February 2015 22:51 UTC
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From: John Leslie <john@jlc.net>
To: Ray Pelletier <rpelletier@isoc.org>
Subject: Re: Remote participation fees
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Ray Pelletier <rpelletier@isoc.org> wrote: > > +1 > >> On Feb 14, 2015, at 4:15 PM, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> wrote: >> >> I think we ought forget about charging for remote attendance until >> remote attendance is much better. Remotely attending IETF-91 via >> meetecho was a good bit better than I expected but is nowhere near >> the point where we could charge. I disagree. Meetecho _may_ be still at the point where folks would demand their money back ;^) but the biggest problems were simply it being hard to tell the difference between a microphone turned off and the sound not working. This could be fixed rather quickly, if we had anybody on site who would communicate this difference. Obviously (and the Meetecho folks would be the first to agree) there is room for improvement. But I didn't find Meetecho to be the source of my frustrations. The big frustration is a five-minute lag between when I want to ask a question and when I _might_ get that question repeated at the mike. By then, the question may no longer be appropriate! Fixing this alone would be worth $50 a day to me. I don't think I'm alone in this... >> Let's make it work first, and then see how that affects attendance >> and then figure out charging models Is there anybody besides the Meetecho folks whose task it is to "make it work"? Is there anybody _including_ the Meetecho folks who has the ability to arrange similar priority at the mike to that of on-site participants? If not, we're simply not trying to make it work. :^( >> and not try do that backwards by starting to discuss charging models >> for something that doesn't yet exist. There are _many_ products that _won't_ be developed if the folks who control the resources don't believe there _is_ a workable charging model. :^( :^( :^( -- John Leslie <john@jlc.net>
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