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Re: [Diversity] 'Paywall, ' IETF self-sufficiency, increasing participation (was Re: Remote participation fees)

Pranesh Prakash <pranesh@cis-india.org> Sun, 01 March 2015 15:44 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Diversity] 'Paywall, ' IETF self-sufficiency, increasing participation (was Re: Remote participation fees)
From: Pranesh Prakash <pranesh@cis-india.org>
Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2015 16:44:41 +0100
To: Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com>
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Perhaps dropping the idea of imposing a fee for remote participants might help? Or not imposing a fee for non-financed individual participants? Or not imposing a fee for participants from MICs and LICs? 

The thread topic might provide hints, Donald.

I hate to note it, but one of the few on-topic discussions on this list quickly degenerated into meaningless puns and banter. 

Is there anything positive that's come out of this list? That's a genuine question, not a rhetorical device. 

On 1 March 2015 4:26:42 pm GMT+01:00, Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 9:13 PM, Pranesh Prakash
><pranesh@cis-india.org> wrote:
>> Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com> [2015-02-28 21:07:56 -0500]:
>>>
>>> So, if you prefer to say that I'm still not acting "in my personal
>>> capacity", very well; but I'd like to know what the difference is
>(in
>>> operationalized terms, please).
>>
>> As you seem to have noted, I believe funding to take part in IETF
>> proceedings (and physical meetings) is the key.
>>
>> Not because it "influences" the views you put forward at the IETF. 
>(It may
>> or may not do so.)
>>
>> But because it enables you to participate more steadily in the IETF
>than
>> someone who is not similarly funded.  That ability to participate has
>all
>> manners of implications, including the ability to be chair of WGs,
>etc.
>
>Your position seems to be that persons with more resources can, if
>they choose to use those resources, have more influence than those
>with less resources. So what is your proposed solutions? That the IETF
>should impose a world-wide re-distributive tax scheme so that everyone
>in the world has the same resources at their dispose? I would question
>the practicality of that.
>
>Thanks,
>Donald
>=============================
> Donald E. Eastlake 3rd   +1-508-333-2270 (cell)
> 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA
> d3e3e3@gmail.com
>
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>> Pranesh Prakash
>> Policy Director, Centre for Internet and Society
>> T: +91 80 40926283 | W: http://cis-india.org
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>>

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