Re: Meeting rotation (was Hotel situation)

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Fri, 18 December 2015 22:15 UTC

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From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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On 19/12/2015 10:59, Carsten Bormann wrote:
> Fred Baker (fred) wrote:
>> Let me ask, since you clearly have opinions on such matters - what would you think of such an arrangement? What am I missing in such a proposal?
> 
> You addressed this message specifically to Michal.
> 
> But being a foreigner to most people on this list :-), I think I can
> answer this as well.

Not just a foreigner, but also an alien, in the US, just like me.

> Great plan!

I agree. We had a relatively good result with a previous multi-meeting
contract, which provided some leverage with a whole hotel chain.

Whatever we do will be wrong for some people; the IAOC has to make
its best guess knowing this. I had a boss once who defined his job
as "making the best possible distribution of unhappiness."

   Brian

> There is additional value in repeat performances that is rarely being
> discussed here.  And going to places that we know will work takes a lot
> of uncertainty out of the planning, uncertainty that only generates more
> uncertainty (will X come to the meeting in this strange place?  Is it
> even worth having a meeting if X isn't there and Y will have visa
> problems ...).
> 
> So please do go ahead with that plan.  (And please endure the kvetching
> -- the majority on this will be a silent one.)
> 
> Grüße, Carsten
> 
> PS.: And, yes, the Prague meetings have been great repeat performances.
> 
>