Re: Names on blue sheets
Jay Daley <exec-director@ietf.org> Wed, 16 April 2025 20:23 UTC
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Subject: Re: Names on blue sheets
From: Jay Daley <exec-director@ietf.org>
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> On 17 Apr 2025, at 00:03, Vittorio Bertola <vittorio.bertola=40open-xchange.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > >> Il 16/04/2025 09:43 JST Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> ha scritto: >> >> ISTM it's generally fine to use "Rob S" so long as there's a >> way to track back to find a more real-world identity, which >> could be via the LLC and payments or whatever, whenever that >> is something necessary, e.g. in the case of some IPR dispute. >> I don't think the real-world identity needs to be trivially >> apparent to readers of the blue-sheets. > > I agree, and actually, I am not sure that the IETF's policy of forcing people to disclose online in public that they were in a specific meeting is GDPR-compliant. The IETF is fully compliant with GDPR and ensures that by using specialist counsel to assess GDPR compliance. From my experience of working with counsel on this (and no comment on your own experience/knowledge), GDPR is much more complex and nuanced than the broad interpretations people are generally exposed to, and this leads to incorrect assumptions about how it applies in the IETF context. Jay -- Jay Daley IETF Executive Director exec-director@ietf.org
- Names on blue sheets Rob Sayre
- Re: Names on blue sheets Salz, Rich
- Re: Names on blue sheets Rob Sayre
- Re: Names on blue sheets Ross Finlayson
- Re: Names on blue sheets Salz, Rich
- Re: Names on blue sheets Mark Andrews
- Re: Names on blue sheets S Moonesamy
- Re: Names on blue sheets George Michaelson
- Re: Names on blue sheets Rob Sayre
- Re: Names on blue sheets Rob Sayre
- Re: Names on blue sheets Stephen Farrell
- Re: Names on blue sheets Salz, Rich
- Re: Names on blue sheets Watson Ladd
- Re: Names on blue sheets Michael Richardson
- Re: Names on blue sheets Robert Sparks
- Re: Names on blue sheets Jennifer Richards
- Re: Names on blue sheets Jay Daley
- Re: Names on blue sheets Rob Sayre
- Re: Names on blue sheets Rob Sayre
- Re: Names on blue sheets Eric Vyncke (evyncke)
- Re: Names on blue sheets Vittorio Bertola
- RE: Names on blue sheets Andrew Campling
- Re: Names on blue sheets John Scudder
- Re: Names on blue sheets Jay Daley
- Re: Names on blue sheets S Moonesamy
- Re: Names on blue sheets Phillip Hallam-Baker