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Re: [rfc-i] Poll: RFCs with page numbers (pretty please) ?

Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Tue, 27 October 2020 17:42 UTC

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Subject: Re: [rfc-i] Poll: RFCs with page numbers (pretty please) ?
From: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 13:42:15 -0400
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You’re perfectly allowed. Use enscript, or whatever pagination tool you want. The issue is not that you aren’t allowed—it’s that if the IETF provides a pagination tool, we will be perceived as having provided page numbers, and those page numbers may then be used when referencing documents. By making you take the step of paginating, we avoid that worry.

Of course, if your goal is just to be annoyed at dem kids, please continue… :)

> On Oct 27, 2020, at 1:37 PM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
> 
>> The argument that page numbers are harmful for *any* *purpose*
>> *whatever* is not reasonable. ... A table of contents, in short.
> 
> <doh>  no can do.  might make document more useful. </snark>
> 
> and if you drop it on the floor, you can put it in the card sorter.  oh
> wait.  :)
> 
> what i find shocking here is the "we know best, and you will not be
> allowed attitude," an authoritarianism which seems to have become
> more and more popular.
> 
> randy, going back under my rock
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