Re: the old fellowship program, was Wow, we're famous

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Thu, 15 April 2021 00:46 UTC

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Subject: Re: the old fellowship program, was Wow, we're famous
To: Marc Petit-Huguenin <marc@petit-huguenin.org>, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com>, ietf@ietf.org
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From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 12:46:21 +1200
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On 15-Apr-21 11:37, Marc Petit-Huguenin wrote:
> On 4/14/21 4:17 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>> On 15-Apr-21 10:23, Marc Petit-Huguenin wrote:
>> ...
>>> But I am thinking that the key could be a mentorship that would extend beyond a meeting week.
>>
>> That was always the theory. I acted as a mentor several times under the original version of the mentoring scheme, and did follow-up mails (phone calls were never practical). But my success rate with the follow-ups was approximately zero. Successful mentoring is not easy outside a more traditional work environment with frequent personal contact.
>>
> 
> So no nothing in the plus column.  But did any of the mentorees complained that they felt mistreated by the IETF?  Even if they cannot be added to the plus column, I expect that they cannot either be added on the minus column.

Good point. Yes, I think they all gave me the impression that they were glad of the mentoring, found it useful as first-time attendees, and didn't find that they were unwelcome. But they didn't find the IETF to be a "must do" for the future.

Regards
   Brian

> 
> But you are right that it is hard to build a successful mentorship with someone with whom you do not already have some commonalities.  I think there is a step missing there -- where to meet and how to select these candidates?
> 
> Oh well, if the candidate I have in mind accept, I have a year to figure it out how to find the next one.
>