Re: If Muslims are blocked by the U.S., should the IETF respond?
Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Mon, 30 January 2017 23:28 UTC
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Subject: Re: If Muslims are blocked by the U.S., should the IETF respond?
To: Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net>, IETF <ietf@ietf.org>
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From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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Thanks, Jari. That and Kathy's post are good as immediate reactions. Beyond that, I think Mike St Johns nailed it: a formal statement from ISOC, whose official advisor on standards-making is the IAB, which is appointed by the IETF NomCom. ISOC has some formal standing and lobbying experience. In fact, ISOC was partly created for this. Meanwhile, dust off your copies of RFC 1984, 2804 and 7258. I think we'll be needing them before long. Regards Brian On 31/01/2017 09:13, Jari Arkko wrote: > FYI > > https://www.ietf.org/blog/2017/01/barriers-to-entry/ > > Jari >
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