Re: Admission Control to the IETF 78 and IETF 79 Networks

Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> Fri, 02 July 2010 01:17 UTC

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> The issue is not that the IETF and IETF attendees are required to obey
> the laws of the venue, but rather whether or not the IETF chooses to
> hold a meeting in a venue where the law is sufficiently ...
> restrictive, draconian, capricious, ?? ... to require the IETF to
> change its model of operation.

i presume you are referring to the problems people from most countries
of the world have even entering the united states, being jailed while
trying to do so legitimately, etc.  very good point.

randy