Re: Jim: Re: [rfc-i] FIXED: Poll: RFCs with page numbers (pretty please) ? (was: Re: John/rsoc: Re: Page numbers in RFCs questions / preferences)

Mark Andrews <marka@isc.org> Thu, 29 October 2020 22:40 UTC

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Subject: Re: Jim: Re: [rfc-i] FIXED: Poll: RFCs with page numbers (pretty please) ? (was: Re: John/rsoc: Re: Page numbers in RFCs questions / preferences)
From: Mark Andrews <marka@isc.org>
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> On 30 Oct 2020, at 01:48, Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> wrote:
> 
> On 10/29/20 6:04 AM, Julian Reschke wrote:
>>> At the I-D stage page numbers are useful because people send diffs 
>>> and you need to context to get to the right place in the .xml. 
>> 
>> How do page numbers help with the XML? Aren't section and paragraph 
>> numbers much better for that? 
> Given that none of section, paragraph, or page numbers appear in the XML, I don't see how any of them helps with that problem.   But it is a real problem.
> (IMO, XML is a horrible format for document authoring/editing.   It optimizes for all of the wrong things and imposes a considerable burden on writing and maintaining drafts, especially for newcomers.)
> 
> Keith

They can provide more context.  Going from text form back to xml can be
difficult.  But all this is an aside to the RFC form.
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