Re: A sad farewell
Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com> Fri, 06 November 2020 20:24 UTC
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From: Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2020 15:24:26 -0500
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On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 7:41 PM Salz, Rich <rsalz=40akamai.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > *...* > > > > The IETF has to have a standard input format for things that the authors > intend to become RFC’s. Are you arguing about that? Or do you just not > like that the official choice is XML with custom tags? > > > > You’re not obligated to use that – there are converters that take MSWord, > markdown, integrate with github actions, etc. You just have to get to XML > so the IETF can work with it. > I periodically do documents that get published as RFCs and I'm not sure if I've submitted even one in XML. Actually I think there was one case some time ago where I was making minor changes to a document that was already in XML. I and a number of other people just submit text documents in the form of internet-drafts, produced by nroff or whatever. Works fine without any need on my part to "get to XML". Thanks, Donald =============================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com
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