Re: Diversity and Inclusiveness in the IETF

Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> Tue, 23 February 2021 22:01 UTC

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On 2/23/21 4:57 PM, Mark Nottingham wrote:

> Measuring productivity through the number of documents published is not a good habit for us to get into; it gives incentive to all of the wrong kinds of behaviours.

+1.