Re: "why I quit writing internet standards"

Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> Tue, 15 April 2014 23:03 UTC

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Subject: Re: "why I quit writing internet standards"
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On 16 Apr 2014, at 00:49, Spencer Dawkins <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

> The idea was that you could declare a specific Internet-Draft "good enough for now", for a variety of reasons (which varied from proposal to proposal), and one of the reasons could be "we're going to stop working on this draft until we get some implementation experience".

Working groups can do that today.

E.g., httpbis calls out some of their HTTP/2.0 drafts as “implementation drafts”.

Giving this qualification a slightly more formal standing (as in a place in the datatracker, an easily accessible list of implementation drafts on the web site, etc.) might help inform implementers that aren't following the entire WG mailing list traffic whether it is time to go ahead implementing.

(Of course, the interesting part will be how to properly manage the expectation of stability.)

Grüße, Carsten