Re: BCP 83 PR actions and new media

[Pete Resnick <[e-mail]>]

On 10 Nov 2022, at 19:50, Brian E Carpenter wrote:

> (Note that the anti-harassment policy is scoped: "IETF participants 
> must not engage in harassment while at IETF meetings, virtual 
> meetings, social events, or on mailing lists." Maybe that needs to be 
> slightly extended to cover other IETF communication media.)

Note that the Anti-Harassment Procedures are part of BCP 25 and define 
the actions of the Ombudsteam, not BCP 83 and therefore do not 
necessarily apply to communications subject to a PR-Action we are 
talking about in this thread. However, to address the bit of ambiguity 
in 7776 that Brian refers to, the document says:

    ...[RFC7154] provides a set
    of guidelines for personal interaction in the IETF, and [RFC2418] 
and
    [RFC3934] give guidelines for how to deal with disruptive behavior
    that occurs in the context of IETF working group face-to-face
    meetings and on mailing lists.

    However, there is other problematic behavior that may be more
    personal and that can occur in the context of IETF activities
    (meetings, mailing list discussions, or social events) that does not
    directly disrupt working group progress but nonetheless is
    unacceptable behavior between IETF Participants.

The phrase "in the context of" gets used further down as well:

    In general, disruptive behavior that occurs in the context of an 
IETF
    general or working group mailing list, or happens in a face-to-face
    or virtual meeting of a working group or the IETF plenary, can be
    dealt with by our normal procedures, whereas harassing behavior is
    more appropriately handled by the procedures described here.
    However, there are plausible reasons to address behaviors that take
    place during working group meetings using these procedures.

When the draft of this document was discussed by the IETF list (in Last 
Call and prior), examples given in the discussion included things like 
misbehavior in the hotel bar after sessions were done for the day, or in 
the hall before or after a meeting, and certainly private email 
exchanges that came out of a public WG mailing list exchange. 
(References to particular email messages in that discussion can be 
provided upon request.) I have always understood "in the context of" to 
include such private email messages or after-hours in-person activities, 
and I believe that was the understanding of those who discussed it 
during Last Call.

But again, this doesn't apply to the BCP 83 discussion on the table.

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