Re: If categories of people are blocked by the U.S., should the IETF respond?

David Farmer <farmer@umn.edu> Mon, 30 January 2017 14:32 UTC

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From: David Farmer <farmer@umn.edu>
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 08:32:09 -0600
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Subject: Re: If categories of people are blocked by the U.S., should the IETF respond?
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On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 9:37 PM, Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 1/29/17 4:39 PM, Dave Crocker wrote:
> > The folk at the head of the current administration don't care about such
> > statements.  But perhaps others who can effect change might.
>
> Right, including our congressional representatives.  There is
> likely to be a legislative response to what the administration
> is trying to do, and if industry bodies speak up that can
> provide them additional support and cover, I think.
>
> I do think that issuing both IETF-only and joint statements
> with other organizations would be a good thing.


Don't forget the courts, while I doubt the IETF would have standing, or the
finances, to actually be a litigant, but it could prepare few amicus briefs
explaining the impact of this overreach on the IETF.  They might even be
useful in the court and legislative hearings that will undoubtedly occur.


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