Re: feedback & blog entry

[SM <[e-mail]>]

Hi Jari,
At 11:22 24-09-2013, IETF Chair wrote:
>You are referring to attendance and authoring RFCs? I agree, of 
>course. I apologize for using a metric that is, at best, partial. My 
>only defense is that it was what I had easily available :-( I do 
>realise that real engagement from different types of organisations 
>and people and areas of the world goes to far more fundamental 
>issues than showing numbers of people. True involvement and effect 
>is what counts. As we know, that does not necessarily correlate with 
>any particular statistic...

The metric which you provided on your own time has been useful.  With 
these statistics there wouldn't have anything to look at to get a 
view of IETF work.  I agree that true involvement and effort is what 
counts.  Showing the number of people might be the least bad way to 
understand what's happening and whether the efforts are successful.

>Ok. Which comment are you referring to? I'm sorry, too much e-mail 
>to know what you are referring to. I'd be interested in better metrics.

 From http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg79780.html

   "It's pretty tempting for new participants to submit drafts that they like,
    and maybe reaching out to their office mates as co-authors, but to be
    effective in the IETF, participants have to learn how to collaborate with
    folks from other IETF sponsors"

How does one collaborate in the IETF?  How does one contribute in the 
IETF?  What's the level of involvement at the country level?  Is the 
involvement from a country increasing if we look at the number of 
people involved?  Please note that the questions are not meant as 
questions for you to reply to.

I am not sure whether there is a way to generate statistics to get a 
view of the above.    It may be worth pursuing if other people 
believe that it would be a better metric.

Regards,
-sm