Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal

"John G. Scudder" <jgs@bgp.nu> Sun, 06 April 2008 12:32 UTC

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Subject: Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 18:01:11 -0400
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Isn't the Ark of the Covenant also there?

In the interest of adding some actual content as well, I'll remark  
that I really don't much care whether addresses are collected or not.   
For my own part, I'm with the others who've observed that trying to  
hide your address as a counter-spam measure is about as effective as  
sticking your fingers in your ears and saying la-la-la.  And for that  
matter, those who think otherwise can easily use a disposable email  
address if they wish (surely they must have one if they care about  
such things) or even falsify or omit their email address (horrors!).

--John

On Apr 4, 2008, at 5:51 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote:

> I thought that people might like to see where the Blue Sheets are  
> currently stored by the IETF Trust once the
> Secretariat is done with them :
>
> http://www.americafree.tv/IETF_Trust/index.html
>
> I feel fairly certain that addresses are not being scanned there.
>
> Regards
> Marshall
>
> On Apr 4, 2008, at 5:19 PM, John C Klensin wrote:
>>
>>
>> --On Friday, 04 April, 2008 11:56 -0400 Derek Atkins
>> <derek@ihtfp.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Harald Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no> writes:
>>>
>>>> Diving straight into armchairing myself, I'll just note that
>>>> under EU data privacy laws, it's illegal to collect personal
>>>> info for which you have no legitimate purpose - so if we
>>>> never use those emails for anything, we shouldn't collect
>>>> them.
>>>
>>> I've used them.  One time when I chaired a BOF I collected the
>>> email addresses to personally ask if they wanted to be involved
>>> in the mailing list.  (It was done this way because the list
>>> was not set up prior to the meeting).  So, having email
>>> addresses was very important to inform everyone in the room of
>>> the list address.
>>
>> Yes.  And, as a sometime BOF or WG chair, I've often asked the
>> secretariat for copies of the blue sheets (and gotten them) to
>> check names of spellings against the minutes, to write people
>> asking for clarification about what they said, and to get my own
>> sense of the profile and pattern of those participating in the
>> meetings compared to those who were participating on the list.
>> Some of those uses require email addresses, some don't.  But the
>> activity is, IMO, legitimate and useful enough that I'm
>> reluctant to give up the email addresses unless someone
>> demonstrates that there is a real problem that needs solving.
>>
>> I won't repeat what others have said about the presence or
>> absence of the problem, but I'm not convinced either.
>>
>>    john
>>
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