Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal
"John G. Scudder" <jgs@bgp.nu> Sun, 06 April 2008 12:32 UTC
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Subject: Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 18:01:11 -0400
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Isn't the Ark of the Covenant also there? In the interest of adding some actual content as well, I'll remark that I really don't much care whether addresses are collected or not. For my own part, I'm with the others who've observed that trying to hide your address as a counter-spam measure is about as effective as sticking your fingers in your ears and saying la-la-la. And for that matter, those who think otherwise can easily use a disposable email address if they wish (surely they must have one if they care about such things) or even falsify or omit their email address (horrors!). --John On Apr 4, 2008, at 5:51 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > I thought that people might like to see where the Blue Sheets are > currently stored by the IETF Trust once the > Secretariat is done with them : > > http://www.americafree.tv/IETF_Trust/index.html > > I feel fairly certain that addresses are not being scanned there. > > Regards > Marshall > > On Apr 4, 2008, at 5:19 PM, John C Klensin wrote: >> >> >> --On Friday, 04 April, 2008 11:56 -0400 Derek Atkins >> <derek@ihtfp.com> wrote: >> >>> Harald Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no> writes: >>> >>>> Diving straight into armchairing myself, I'll just note that >>>> under EU data privacy laws, it's illegal to collect personal >>>> info for which you have no legitimate purpose - so if we >>>> never use those emails for anything, we shouldn't collect >>>> them. >>> >>> I've used them. One time when I chaired a BOF I collected the >>> email addresses to personally ask if they wanted to be involved >>> in the mailing list. (It was done this way because the list >>> was not set up prior to the meeting). So, having email >>> addresses was very important to inform everyone in the room of >>> the list address. >> >> Yes. And, as a sometime BOF or WG chair, I've often asked the >> secretariat for copies of the blue sheets (and gotten them) to >> check names of spellings against the minutes, to write people >> asking for clarification about what they said, and to get my own >> sense of the profile and pattern of those participating in the >> meetings compared to those who were participating on the list. >> Some of those uses require email addresses, some don't. But the >> activity is, IMO, legitimate and useful enough that I'm >> reluctant to give up the email addresses unless someone >> demonstrates that there is a real problem that needs solving. >> >> I won't repeat what others have said about the presence or >> absence of the problem, but I'm not convinced either. >> >> john >> >> _______________________________________________ >> IETF mailing list >> IETF@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > _______________________________________________ IETF mailing list IETF@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
- Re: Blue sheet harvest Bill Manning
- Blue Sheet Change Proposal Ray Pelletier
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Mark Andrews
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Marshall Eubanks
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Ole Jacobsen
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Eric Burger
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Scott O. Bradner
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Eric Rescorla
- RE: Blue Sheet Change Proposal john.loughney
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Marshall Eubanks
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Cullen Jennings
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Eric Rescorla
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Scott O. Bradner
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Rob Austein
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Alain Durand
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Samuel Weiler
- RE: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Dave Crocker
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal john.loughney
- RE: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Olaf Kolkman
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Dave Crocker
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Harald Alvestrand
- Re: Blue sheet harvest Scott O. Bradner
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Barry Leiba
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Suresh Krishnan
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Mr Kim Sanders
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Tony Hansen
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Michael Thomas
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Dave Crocker
- Re: Blue sheet harvest Bill Manning
- Re: Blue sheet harvest Scott O. Bradner
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Eric Rescorla
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Derek Atkins
- Re: Blue sheet harvest Theodore Tso
- Re: Blue sheet harvest Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal John C Klensin
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Bill Manning
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal David Conrad
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal John C Klensin
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal John Levine
- Re: Blue sheet harvest Bill Manning
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Bill Manning
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Marshall Eubanks
- Attendee lists in proceedings [Re: Blue Sheet Cha… Brian E Carpenter
- RE: Blue sheet harvest Hadriel Kaplan
- The purpose of blue sheets [Re: Blue sheet harves… Pekka Savola
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal John G. Scudder
- RE: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Richard Shockey
- RE: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Wes Beebee (wbeebee)
- RE: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Dean Anderson
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal TS Glassey
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Dean Anderson