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Re: IPv4 outage at next IETF in Chicago

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Wed, 25 January 2017 19:48 UTC

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Subject: Re: IPv4 outage at next IETF in Chicago
To: Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>, IETF <ietf@ietf.org>
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From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 08:48:29 +1300
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On 25/01/2017 21:53, Stewart Bryant wrote:
> 
> 
> On 24/01/2017 23:11, Franck Martin wrote:
>> I think it is time to move to the next level of IPv6 deployment.
>>
>> Ideally the IETF WiFi network should now only provide the following 2 
>> networks:
>> 1)IPv6-only
>> 2)IPv6-only with NAT64
>>
>> The later should be the default network.
>>
>> However you would say, well some stuff will break, some non technical 
>> people will use the IETF network and may have a bad experience, etc...
>>
>> So to be conservative but at the same time futurist and like it was 
>> done a few years back, why not create again an IPv4 outage of a few 
>> hours where the above 2 networks would be the only networks available?
>>
>> Depending on results, this outage could be expanded to a full day at 
>> the following meeting, until the IPv4 network is totally removed from 
>> the WiFi?
> 
> How about those that designed IPv6 and their ADs subject themselves to 
> this regime and report to the rest of us how they got on?

I've helped a bit, and I exercise the model suggested by RFC1671
most days. It works. I see no reason to subject myself to an artificial
restriction.

   Brian

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