Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users
Tim Chown <tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk> Tue, 15 March 2016 14:33 UTC
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Subject: Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users
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> On 15 Mar 2016, at 14:23, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote: > > in these more privacy conscious days, we should be setting an example > of how our own technology (and those of our friends in other sdos) > can be used to maximize privacy and integrity. client blocking, > discrimination, and breaking e2e encryption are not what i consider > nice examples. This. > On 15 Mar 2016, at 14:25, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> wrote: > > Speaking personally, I'd answer your question with a yes, but > not on moral grounds, rather because Tor is one of the most > widely used privacy enhancing technologies; the IETF should > encourage use of such so that we learn how to make privacy > better on the Internet, so therefore we should, I think, be > actively encouraging its use so we learn more about it. I > don't think the IETF has established that as a consensus > position, but nor should we have to. It's fairly obvious I > reckon. And this. Otherwise, it seems we have short memories. Tim
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- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Randy Bush
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users John Levine
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Andrew Sullivan
- RE: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Michel Py
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Narelle
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Yoav Nir
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Leif Johansson
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Jari Arkko
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Jari Arkko
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Leif Johansson
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Eliot Lear
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Christian de Larrinaga
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Eliot Lear
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Paul Wouters
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Randy Bush
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Alec Muffett
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Stephen Farrell
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Rich Kulawiec
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Eliot Lear
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Jari Arkko
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Christian de Larrinaga
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Stephen Farrell
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Leif Johansson
- RE: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Ted Lemon
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Alec Muffett
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users John R Levine
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Christian de Larrinaga
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users John Kristoff
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Antonio Prado
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users John R Levine
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Rich Kulawiec
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Randy Bush
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Eliot Lear
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Alec Muffett
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Alec Muffett
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- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Michael Richardson
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Michael Richardson
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Eliot Lear
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Randy Bush
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Stephen Farrell
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Tim Chown
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users John Levine
- RE: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Michel Py
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Leif Johansson
- RE: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Michel Py
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Alec Muffett
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Rich Kulawiec
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users John R Levine
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Theodore V Faber
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users John Kristoff
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users John R Levine
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Leif Johansson
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Randy Bush
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Randy Bush
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users lloyd.wood
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Leif Johansson
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Eliot Lear
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Randy Bush
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Eliot Lear
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Randy Bush
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Eliot Lear
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users lloyd.wood
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Warren Kumari
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Dave Cridland
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Leif Johansson
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Rich Kulawiec
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Randy Bush
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Paul Wouters
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Jari Arkko
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Jari Arkko
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Rich Kulawiec
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Adam Roach
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Michael StJohns
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Eliot Lear
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Adam Roach
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Eliot Lear
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Adam Roach
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Michael StJohns
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Linus Nordberg
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Adam Roach
- RE: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Tony Hain
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Rich Kulawiec
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Michael StJohns
- RE: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Michel Py
- RE: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Michel Py
- RE: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users John C Klensin
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Adam Roach
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Stephen Farrell
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- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Michael StJohns
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Randy Bush
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Warren Kumari
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Leif Johansson
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Leif Johansson
- Re: ietf.org end-to-end principle Stefan Winter
- Re: ietf.org end-to-end principle Stefan Winter
- RE: ietf.org end-to-end principle Varma, Eve (Nokia - US)
- Re: ietf.org end-to-end principle DIEGO LOPEZ GARCIA
- Re: ietf.org end-to-end principle Stephen Farrell
- Re: ietf.org end-to-end principle DIEGO LOPEZ GARCIA
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Linus Nordberg
- Re: ietf.org end-to-end principle Jari Arkko
- Re: ietf.org end-to-end principle Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: ietf.org end-to-end principle Stefan Winter
- RE: ietf.org end-to-end principle Josh Howlett
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- Re: ietf.org end-to-end principle Eliot Lear
- Re: ietf.org end-to-end principle lloyd.wood
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- RE: ietf.org end-to-end principle Josh Howlett
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- Re: ietf.org end-to-end principle Dave Crocker
- Re: ietf.org end-to-end principle Jari Arkko
- Re: ietf.org end-to-end principle DIEGO LOPEZ GARCIA
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