Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidance - SMTP version
Jay Daley <jay@ietf.org> Mon, 16 December 2019 21:46 UTC
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Subject: Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidance - SMTP version
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 10:46:45 +1300
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Hi While there is not unanimous consensus, I think the mood is clearly to leave this as an operational decision. In which case, taking into account the following recommendation ... > On 17/12/2019, at 5:18 AM, Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org> wrote: > > Glen wrote on 16/12/2019 16:11: >> /^[0-9.]+$/ 550 RFC2821 violation >> /^\[[0-9.]+\]$/ 550 RFC2821 violation >> In just seconds, I can easily change the messages, or remove the >> rules, either with complete ease. > > s/RFC2821 violation/policy violation/ … and the following technical comment … > On 17/12/2019, at 6:04 AM, Viktor Dukhovni <ietf-dane@dukhovni.org> wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 08:11:11AM -0800, Glen wrote: > >> There is a configuration file, with two lines in it: >> >> /^[0-9.]+$/ 550 RFC2821 violation >> /^\[[0-9.]+\]$/ 550 RFC2821 violation > > While the patterns look similar, the first one rejects non-compliant > "EHLO 192.0.2.1" and similar dotted quads (or more generally some > mixture of digits and dots), the second rejects RFC-compliant address > literals. So at least the second message should probably be different, > if the rule is retained. … the following has now changed from /^[0-9.]+$/ 550 RFC2821 violation /^\[[0-9.]+\]$/ 550 RFC2821 violation to /^[0-9.]+$/ 550 RFC2821 violation /^\[[0-9.]+\]$/ 550 Policy violation As to the question of data, we cannot say for certain that the rejected messages were all spam, but we have only received one complaint in 10 years and so we can reasonably assume this rule has not caused problems that need to be addressed. Please let me know if you have any questions, comments or recommendations. kind regards Jay -- Jay Daley IETF Executive Director jay@ietf.org +64 21 678840
- Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidan… Valdis Kl=?utf-8?Q?=c4=93?=tnieks
- IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidance -… John C Klensin
- Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidan… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidan… Randy Bush
- Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidan… John Levine
- Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidan… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidan… Nick Hilliard
- Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidan… Keith Moore
- Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidan… John C Klensin
- Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidan… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidan… Salz, Rich
- Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidan… Keith Moore
- Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidan… Valdis Kl=?utf-8?Q?=c4=93?=tnieks
- Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidan… John R Levine
- Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidan… Randy Bush
- Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidan… John C Klensin
- Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidan… Keith Moore
- Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidan… Nick Hilliard
- Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidan… S Moonesamy
- Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidan… Glen
- Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidan… Nick Hilliard
- Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidan… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidan… Glen
- Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidan… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidan… Andrew G. Malis
- Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidan… John C Klensin
- Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidan… Andrew G. Malis
- Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidan… Randy Bush
- Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidan… Jay Daley
- Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidan… Andrew G. Malis
- Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidan… Jay Daley
- Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidan… Rob Sayre
- Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidan… John C Klensin
- Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidan… Salz, Rich
- Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidan… Alissa Cooper
- Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidan… Jay Daley
- Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidan… Hector Santos
- Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidan… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidan… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [ietf-smtp] IETF Policy on dogfood consumptio… Hector Santos
- Re: [ietf-smtp] IETF Policy on dogfood consumptio… Salz, Rich
- Re: [ietf-smtp] IETF Policy on dogfood consumptio… Keith Moore
- Re: [ietf-smtp] the inedible parts of IETF dogfoo… John Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] the inedible parts of IETF dogfoo… Keith Moore
- Re: [ietf-smtp] the inedible parts of IETF dogfoo… George Michaelson
- Re: [ietf-smtp] IETF Policy on dogfood consumptio… Randy Bush
- Re: [ietf-smtp] IETF Policy on dogfood consumptio… Hector Santos
- Re: [ietf-smtp] IETF Policy on dogfood consumptio… Hector Santos
- Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidan… John C Klensin
- Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidan… Eliot Lear
- Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidan… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [ietf-smtp] epostage is still a bad idea, the… John R Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] IETF Policy on dogfood consumptio… Salz, Rich
- Re: [ietf-smtp] epostage is still a bad idea, the… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidan… Keith Moore
- Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidan… Hector Santos
- Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidan… John C Klensin
- Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidan… Eliot Lear
- Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidan… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidan… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidan… Eliot Lear
- Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidan… Hector Santos
- Re: [ietf-smtp] epostage is still a bad idea, the… Brandon Long
- Re: [ietf-smtp] epostage is still a bad idea, the… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidan… Valdis Kl=?utf-8?Q?=c4=93?=tnieks
- Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidan… Hector Santos
- The dogfood discussion (was: Re: IETF Policy on d… John C Klensin
- Re: The dogfood discussion (was: Re: IETF Policy … Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: The dogfood discussion (was: Re: IETF Policy … Eliot Lear (elear)