Re: privacy and IETF meetings in US

[Nico Williams <[e-mail]>]

On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 09:07:24PM +0300, Fernando Gont wrote:
> On 7/6/19 21:43, Nico Williams wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 07, 2019 at 12:42:17PM -0400, Paul Wouters wrote:
> >> ps. at least for me, I will already know in my home city of Toronto,
> >> whether or not I will be refused for not handing out my social media
> >> or web browser history, since we clear immigration at the airport :P
> > 
> > So, CBP asking to see your social media or mobile is not remotely a new
> > thing, and was happening before 2016.  
> 
> For the USA? Datapoint: I've processed two visas for the USA prior to
> 2017, and I've never was asked social media details.

*CBP*, at the border.  They don't ask everyone, just some visitors.

> > The U.S. is not the only country to have done that sort of thing, either.
> 
> Does that matter?

Maybe, yes.  If we want meetings only in countries that never do this,
we'll need that data.

> > But CBP is also naturally
> > bandwidth limited as to how many visitors they can apply that treatment
> > to...
> 
> How does this criteria play with the "being more inclusinve" thing?

It's about likelihood of inconvenience / privacy invasion.

> > What's *new* here is that those who need a _visa_ to visit now can be
> > subjected to this treatmeant with a higher natural bandwidth limit at
> > the applicable U.S. consulate, so more such visitors can expect to be
> > subjected to it.  I imagine consular officials were always able to
> > request additional data, such as social media identifiers, but now the
> > State department will be requiring that information of all visa
> > applicants.
> > 
> > Now, not every visitor to the U.S. needs a visa.
> 
> FWIW, most (if not all) latinamerican countries need a visa to enter the
> USA.

Chile is on the waiver program, so not all.  So the vast majority of
citizens of Latin Americ are affected.

Nico
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