Re: StandICT.eu funding on offer
Pete Resnick <resnick@episteme.net> Sat, 08 May 2021 17:00 UTC
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From: Pete Resnick <resnick@episteme.net>
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Subject: Re: StandICT.eu funding on offer
Date: Sat, 08 May 2021 12:00:22 -0500
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First let me say that I don't care what guidelines we use for posting to the list; I think Jay's original message was probably reasonable to post. I was simply responding to Andy's comment that his message "certainly fits" the description of the list; it's not "certain", and certainly not to the unnamed person who commented to Jay that it didn't. All I meant was that we should have a real discussion about whether or not it fit and write down our conclusion somewhere so that we don't need to have this discussion again. That said: On 7 May 2021, at 18:48, S Moonesamy wrote: > The burden is on the person complaining about a message to explain why > it is not okay. On 8 May 2021, at 6:38, Carsten Bormann wrote: > (And, as usual, the detection of this as a charter violation created > an order of magnitude more noise than the pointer itself.) Using words like "burden" and "charter violation" isn't helpful and makes this sound like some sort of legal exercise. There are no burdens of proof here; we're trying to be polite to one another and have some guidelines to help people do that. > On 2021-05-07, at 17:26, Pete Resnick <resnick@episteme.net> wrote: >> >> But it doesn't fit the IETF list charter, RFC 3005: >> >> Inappropriate postings include: >> >> - Announcements of conferences, events, or activities that are not >> sponsored or endorsed by the Internet Society or IETF. > > The English I learned doesn’t make an announcement of the form > “here are people offering money so you can continue your IETF > work” an "Announcement of conferences, events, or activities”. The main page that Jay pointed to looks to me, at least at first glance, to be an announcement of an activity not sponsored or endorsed by ISOC or the IETF. In this case, it sounds like one that it would be good for IETF folks to know about, and we might agree ones like this in the future should not be looked sideways at. Are we OK with all Internet technology grant announcements on this list? What about job opportunities? Again, I'm only suggesting it's a good idea to come to some agreement about what's reasonable and what's not. > Maybe me announcing that I wrote another version of some piece of > software that implements IETF protocols and plan to continue doing > that, does, much more so, but nobody would complain about that. If it had instructions about how to buy the latest version, perhaps with an "IETF Member Discount", and pointers to your other wonderful products available on your website, I bet you would get complaints. :-) > “Considerable latitude”, as Amelia said… I'm all for it. So let's just decide what's reasonable and what's not. pr -- Pete Resnick https://www.episteme.net/ All connections to the world are tenuous at best
- StandICT.eu funding on offer Jay Daley
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- Re: StandICT.eu funding on offer Vittorio Bertola
- Re: StandICT.eu funding on offer Warren Kumari
- Re: StandICT.eu funding on offer Stephen Farrell
- Re: StandICT.eu funding on offer Andrew G. Malis
- Re: StandICT.eu funding on offer Pete Resnick
- Re: StandICT.eu funding on offer John C Klensin
- Re: StandICT.eu funding on offer S Moonesamy
- Re: StandICT.eu funding on offer Amelia Andersdotter
- Re: StandICT.eu funding on offer Carsten Bormann
- Re: StandICT.eu funding on offer Pete Resnick
- Re: StandICT.eu funding on offer John C Klensin
- Re: StandICT.eu funding on offer Michael StJohns
- Re: StandICT.eu funding on offer S Moonesamy
- Re: StandICT.eu funding on offer Vittorio Bertola