Re: How to tell people... Was: We appear to still be litigating OAuth, oops

Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> Fri, 26 February 2021 16:49 UTC

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Subject: Re: How to tell people... Was: We appear to still be litigating OAuth, oops
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On 2/26/21 11:40 AM, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:

> This is one of the reasons I would like to see the IETF move towards a 
> W3C style plenary in which WGs are required to provide short 
> introductions to what they do. No, not status reports: an elevator pitch. 

We actually had similar plenaries, long ago, as a way to keep the 
broader community informed about what individual WGs were doing. First 
thing Monday mornings, as I recall.