Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting cities

Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> Tue, 04 April 2017 21:13 UTC

Return-Path: <cabo@tzi.org>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78CB01296C4 for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 4 Apr 2017 14:13:15 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -4.199
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4pnDodCSHez0 for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 4 Apr 2017 14:13:13 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 05DDE126DFB for <ietf@ietf.org>; Tue, 4 Apr 2017 14:13:02 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de
Received: from submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.201.11]) by mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v34LCpwf020191; Tue, 4 Apr 2017 23:12:51 +0200 (CEST)
Received: from client-0157.vpn.uni-bremen.de (client-0157.vpn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.107.157]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3vyMBV63HkzDHMn; Tue, 4 Apr 2017 23:12:50 +0200 (CEST)
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\))
Subject: Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting cities
From: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>
In-Reply-To: <CAAQiQRcvu-BfBA_NEqZwXsHEn6ujpa2=w7P5Vu2f6GLXjKqkcA@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2017 23:12:48 +0200
Cc: Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>, IETF <ietf@ietf.org>, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@consulintel.es>
X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 513033168.039044-128005f8269c85a6276f4a87de6cb870
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Message-Id: <5DDF7585-8722-4C21-B998-CFD06A44EFE2@tzi.org>
References: <149096990336.4276.3480662759931758139.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <9fee9874-1306-07a2-a84a-4e09381a5336@cisco.com> <E67FDB14-9895-48E0-A334-167172D322DB@nohats.ca> <20170403152624.GA11714@gsp.org> <93404c29-78ba-ff9b-9170-f5f2a5389a31@gmail.com> <E068F01A-B720-4E7A-A60F-AA5BDA22D535@consulintel.es> <20170404181505.GA4004@localhost> <CAAQiQRcvu-BfBA_NEqZwXsHEn6ujpa2=w7P5Vu2f6GLXjKqkcA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Andrew Newton <andy@hxr.us>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273)
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/yjxcB-sXONTbe07YK8D-ZXHDye8>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2017 21:13:15 -0000

On Apr 4, 2017, at 20:43, Andrew Newton <andy@hxr.us> wrote:
> 
> In my opinion, statistics will better inform this discussion.

Statistics is useful for reasoning about stable countries.

(It may also be useful to remember that the US is unsafe beyond its borders.
Chicago has the murder rate Colombia had in 2013, before the peace process fully set in.
Statistically, the chance of any IETFer being killed last week was about 1.5 %.)

Grüße, Carsten