Re: [IAOC] Badges and blue sheets

Jordi,

On Nov 13, 2010, at 2:38 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:

> I'm still not convinced.

Understood.

> 
> If you accept to be waived, you should accept that the waiver is made
> public. It is not a matter of privacy, you're not forced to.

I disagree, in some cases it would be embarrassing for the people involved and likely cause us to loose important contributors.  Not everyone would like their status to be public.  

I don't see any issue with reporting of the total number of comps, but without listing the people involved.  Not sure if you have noticed that there are comps listed on the attendee list.  Most of the comps go to the host who makes a large financial contribution to host the meeting.

> 
> Moreover, and this needs to be answered, or we have a problem. What is the
> RFC that allows this waiver ?

No RFC defines this level of detail, nor should it.  BCP101 gives the authority to the IAOC to plan and operate IETF meetings.  This, like many other meeting related decisions (e.g., size of cookies, registration fees, venues, etc.) falls under that authority.  The IAOC works very hard to listen to the community, but it wouldn't work to define all of the details of meetings in an RFC.

Bob

> 
>> From: Marshall Eubanks <tme@americafree.tv>
>> Reply-To: <tme@americafree.tv>
>> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 13:24:49 -0500
>> To: Yoav Nir <ynir@checkpoint.com>
>> Cc: "iaoc@ietf.org" <iaoc@ietf.org>, IETF discussion list <ietf@ietf.org>,
>> "jordi.palet@consulintel.es" <jordi.palet@consulintel.es>
>> Subject: Re: [IAOC] Badges and blue sheets
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 12, 2010, at 4:08 AM, Yoav Nir wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 12, 2010, at 7:36 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Henk,
>>>> 
>>>> I don't agree. If there is people "essential" to the meeting but can't pay,
>>>> as we all pay for that, we have the right to know.
>>> 
>>> I disagree with that. There is a privacy issue here. If x can't pay his way,
>>> and needs a comp ticket, it's enough that the IETF chair knows about this.
>>> It's not our right to know of their financial situation.
>> 
>> +1
>> 
>> Marshall
>> 
>>> 
>>>> This is an open organization right ? I will be VERY concerned if we don't
>>>> have this information being made public immediately. It sounds really really
>>>> strange to me.
>>> 
>>> You pay for everything the Spanish government does, which, I assume, includes
>>> some kinds of welfare like unemployment benefits. You don't get a list of all
>>> people who get these benefits, do you?
>>> 
>>>> Is it documented in any RFC ?
>>>> 
>>>> Moreover, if I'm in between jobs, or need a new job, or whatever, I think is
>>>> good for me that others know, in case I can get some new offers.
>>> 
>>> People look for jobs in various ways at their discretion. Being from Spain,
>>> there are only 6 more of your countrymen at the Beijing meeting. How many
>>> relevant job offers would you get?
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