RE: Observations on (non-technical) changes affecting IETF operations
Dave Cridland <dave@cridland.net> Sun, 06 March 2016 22:13 UTC
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Subject: RE: Observations on (non-technical) changes affecting IETF operations
From: Dave Cridland <dave@cridland.net>
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On 1 Mar 2016 18:17, "Linda Dunbar" <linda.dunbar@huawei.com> wrote: > > > Jari, > > Very interesting write up. IMHO, the hardest challenge facing IETF is that "Internet has been working over several decades". > All the obvious technologies needed to enable Internet have been developed already. All that left are tweaks and minor improvement. > This put me in mind of the following, probably apocryphal quote: "There is nothing new to be discovered in physics now, All that remains is more and more precise measurement." - Attributed to Lord Kelvin, circa 1900. > Maybe it is the time to update the goal of the IETF. > (is it still true: "The IETF brand is core Internet technology, and improving the Internet, not specifically new things.?) > > We all know that the future belongs to the App & services. But people from those emerging App & services companies are way under represented in IETF. > > Maybe more Heckathons effort should be invested into attracting Apps & Services companies to utilize the work developed by IETF, ... > > My two cents, > > Linda Dunbar > > -----Original Message----- > From: ietf [mailto:ietf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jari Arkko > Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 4:04 PM > To: IETF > Subject: Observations on (non-technical) changes affecting IETF operations > > > A while back I had asked for volunteers to join a design team to look at (non-technical) trends and changes that relate to IETF operations. > > The team has been working and they have today published an -00 draft. We’d love to have your feedback and thoughts on this topic! > > The document details are below: > > Title: IETF Trends and Observations > > Team: Jari Arkko, Alia Atlas, Avri Doria, Tobias Gondrom, Olaf Kolkman, Steve Olshansky, Benson Schliesser, Robert Sparks, Russ White > > URL: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-arkko-ietf-trends-and-observations-00 > > Abstract: > > While most of the work in the IETF is technical, the IETF should and does regularly examine itself, including its processes and goals, to determine if the technical community is truly serving the larger network engineering community effectively. Changes in this area tend to be incremental, as is fitting for an organization with decades of experience and history in developing and managing the process of building technical specifications. > > The rapid and ongoing changes in the world have recently caused a number of IETF participants to examine the current processes and operation of the IETF, particularly in the context of the culture of the IETF. This memo discusses some cultural and global trends in relation to the IETF's operating environment, how these trends might affect the operation of the IETF, and notes some topics for further exploration. > > Writing this memo has been inspired by involvement in various decisions that the IETF leadership has to take part in, often wishing to be able to draw more on understanding trends and their impact on the IETF. > > This memo is also input for discussion that the IETF community should have. > > The memo has no particular official standing, nor does it claim to represent more than the authors' thinking at the time of writing. > There is no intent on the part of the authors for this to be published as a RFC. Please direct discussion about this topic to the ietf@ietf.org mailing list. > > >
- Getting off Things - namely this mailing list tom p.
- Observations on (non-technical) changes affecting… Jari Arkko
- RE: Observations on (non-technical) changes affec… Linda Dunbar
- Re: Observations on (non-technical) changes affec… Jari Arkko
- RE: Observations on (non-technical) changes affec… Dave Cridland
- Re: Observations on (non-technical) changes affec… Randy Bush
- Re: Observations on (non-technical) changes affec… Melinda Shore
- Re: Observations on (non-technical) changes affec… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: Observations on (non-technical) changes affec… Rich Kulawiec
- Re: Observations on (non-technical) changes affec… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Observations on (non-technical) changes affec… Randy Bush
- Re: Observations on (non-technical) changes affec… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Security for the Internet of Things and Other Thi… Jari Arkko
- RE: Observations on (non-technical) changes affec… Dirk Kutscher
- Re: Observations on (non-technical) changes affec… Jari Arkko
- Re: Observations on (non-technical) changes affec… Michael Richardson
- Re: Security for the Internet of Things and Other… Michael Richardson
- Re: Security for the Internet of Things and Other… Carsten Bormann
- Getting on with Things Eliot Lear
- Re: Security for the Internet of Things and Other… Theodore V Faber
- RE: Getting on with Things Adrian Farrel
- Re: Getting on with Things Carsten Bormann
- Re: Getting on with Things Stewart Bryant
- Re: Getting on with Things Carsten Bormann
- Re: Getting on with Things Stewart Bryant
- Re: Getting on with Things Eliot Lear
- Re: Observations on (non-technical) changes affec… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Getting on with Things Michael Richardson
- Re: Getting on with Things Carsten Bormann
- Re: Getting on with Things Medel Ramirez
- Re: Security for the Internet of Things and Other… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Getting on with Things Gmail
- Re: Security for the Internet of Things and Other… Livingood, Jason
- Re: Security for the Internet of Things and Other… Scott Kitterman
- Re: Security for the Internet of Things and Other… Eliot Lear
- Re: Security for the Internet of Things and Other… Stewart Bryant
- Re: Observations on (non-technical) changes affec… Charles Eckel (eckelcu)
- Re: Observations on (non-technical) changes affec… Dave Crocker
- Re: Observations on (non-technical) changes affec… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Observations on (non-technical) changes affec… Jari Arkko
- Re: Observations on (non-technical) changes affec… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Observations on (non-technical) changes affec… Charles Eckel (eckelcu)
- Re: Observations on (non-technical) changes affec… l.wood
- Re: Observations on (non-technical) changes affec… George Michaelson
- Re: Observations on (non-technical) changes affec… Eggert, Lars
- Re: Observations on (non-technical) changes affec… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Observations on (non-technical) changes affec… lloyd.wood
- Re: Observations on (non-technical) changes affec… Eggert, Lars
- Re: Observations on (non-technical) changes affec… S Moonesamy
- Re: Observations on (non-technical) changes affec… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: Observations on (non-technical) changes affec… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: Observations on (non-technical) changes affec… S Moonesamy
- Re: Observations on (non-technical) changes affec… Randy Bush
- RE: Observations on (non-technical) changes affec… Russ White
- Re: Observations on (non-technical) changes affec… Melinda Shore
- Re: Observations on (non-technical) changes affec… Eliot Lear