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Re: Realistic responses to DMARC

"Andrew G. Malis" <agmalis@gmail.com> Sun, 18 December 2016 21:13 UTC

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From: "Andrew G. Malis" <agmalis@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 16:13:14 -0500
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Subject: Re: Realistic responses to DMARC
To: John R Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
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I’ve found that gmail puts DMARC fails (mostly from Yahoo and Google) into
the spam box, but doesn’t delete it. I check the spam box daily for false
positives, usually caused by DMARC.

Cheers,
Andy


On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 2:24 AM, John R Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:

> Therefore, a developer-friendly mail service MUST NOT have a p=reject
>> or p=quarantee DMARC policy, and MUST also ignore DMARC policies on
>> the receiving end.  Fortunately, these mail services do exist, even if
>> they aren't the big, free consumer ones.
>>
>
> Linux may be enough of a cult that developers will put up with having to
> use a mail account different from the one they use for everything else, but
> as I've said a couple of times already, I don't think the IETF can stand
> the blood loss.
>
> There are some workarounds, maybe ARC, maybe message wrapping, maybe some
> kind of From: munging.  We're looking at them and scratching our heads.
>
> R's,
> John
>
>

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