Re: Getting the latest version of an RFC specification

Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> Thu, 30 March 2017 05:39 UTC

Return-Path: <julian.reschke@gmx.de>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 468DB128BB6 for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 29 Mar 2017 22:39:16 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -5.396
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.396 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.796, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6d-C_mszfoMB for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 29 Mar 2017 22:39:14 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1978C12922E for <ietf@ietf.org>; Wed, 29 Mar 2017 22:39:13 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from [192.168.178.20] ([93.217.64.210]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx102 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LlGoc-1cJaHQ0yhi-00b10I; Thu, 30 Mar 2017 07:39:02 +0200
Subject: Re: Getting the latest version of an RFC specification
To: dcrocker@bbiw.net, IETF general list <ietf@ietf.org>
References: <94f81f6a-6a34-6587-a4f7-683586c2f436@dcrocker.net>
From: Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <14811bee-fd75-8f09-a29d-06cf1e23eb69@gmx.de>
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 07:38:57 +0200
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: <94f81f6a-6a34-6587-a4f7-683586c2f436@dcrocker.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format="flowed"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:olhdS7UvfdPuBFXQQ4GRiJN2Ld3GO92/KPb0CZmwf2V0qqjh5X0 FRH7fQMMNFuxRQ9GTnTF/v3nCzSEczVN5yQyOFyTp2T+p+C9JDYxSnwPLgRVTTPCp3OD4lW /QOX02DzVXESJxrb6+aktmQxnTnQz3TiFtobxd7ghBECGgS2yDY5z6cAA4fa53oIF+ze0n7 eYzlTl7XgTCM5LVYG58lw==
X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:F4x3YotKJis=:XiJefLtNafz9/FztH8H3oG Gvv2sNh97A/jOx2b95iJ21Tka2gzPy28MofwLvT2pNcyiJkk1LQCLckZeWkYZqLNlv88qk+fV 2QscomLzJ6sfv4TpQEiWZu7nv5/+YfRJJUoPr/8D7LGko+bqs8zTvLY1B1Mc+83Dvjng+TgtZ zuMMBhuKwAXFfoOalDK+sErZ4HIqvrL4BzjVwz5zlhYK6xifuLK2rYvZ+zMZvACG4mD/uYs1T c9M5nfXdBwc4I3S5PDU5wkumC+LlwS5i+zRGGtlpS/fMiSYAjHvnTkFxulZoYRuFTwOPb8fiy cTcwJDa0giHed7ap2X4urCftr6A3DcymN5M15CMG+fdtbP2WrsNtva083B88uWiNZNmi65ziD Ith6VT0raD7xTFsCKEr0ZFS3zM4ln2Y4gXETD5/whvdM7b7tEPmF6cAsmYaDn3v19RBw0l5Q5 m4BWkU3Af3nqOgVPZ+kvTAompHPjDzF7HpA4QdwHBljIXaOZPnWWr0iME7YmlxSO0HXlbS6CX GCBYrTFDnKCmRdwyStGjxQv24KqMag7Kb6miuDVRxapHVXChUpmf98/fGFahqh6UEzJlIxfmc GxNY0h+/AWfmxWoNkbPrMxvSfKC4VZGGR/z7hFREaSHWXsYq/7dbp1aJ/RZgY5IGVud2nWgaQ CQ/TXlgBEMbT7T5XrSFp7V2IhidRGauNPy0iTsTJW5JdkTbg9+Mj36xpDpP0gITbzHwVIXtDh 1kqnelVNlBS09e/H/263rbsf32wsZzKtPzxxEevQ5hH0RPTQSSTUGIqdRr0bJ8h+R9P7sTdNo Ogu8ZRm
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/zgV00Wsmdgzf0mEQ6qWZPl5HkzM>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 05:39:16 -0000

On 2017-03-29 13:51, Dave Crocker wrote:
> G'day.
>
> The RFC labeling model is to assign a unique serial number to a static
> document.  A new version of a spec gets a new serial number. This basic
> model has the benefit of both simplicity and predictability.
>
> To this we've added an overlay model, using Obsoletes/ObsoletedBy. This
> makes it dramatically easier to see that something has been obsoleted
> and to find its replacement.
>
> However the seeing and the finding are an essentially manual process.
> One must go to the online older document, then notice the Obsoleted By
> tag and then click to follow it.
>
> Sometimes it would be helpful for the requester to be able to say 'give
> me the latest' more easily.
>
> So I'm wondering whether the IETF should consider adding a citation
> feature for this.
>
> Something like:
>
>      https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc822/latest
>
> would display the contents of:
>
>      https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5322
>
> by having the fetching system automatically traversing the Obsoleted By
> links in RFC 822 and then RFC 2822.
>
> Some sort of display banner would flag this, to help the user see that
> they are getting a different version than they cited.
> ...

FWIW, a related (ans so far unanswered) question is how to present the 
updated/obsoleted information in the new HTML variant of the RFC format.

tools.ietf.org generates as static header block such as:

> [Docs] [txt|pdf] [draft-ietf-http-v...] [Diff1] [Diff2] [Errata]
>
> Obsoleted by: 7230, 7231, 7232, 7233, 7234, 7235          DRAFT STANDARD
> Updated by: 2817, 5785, 6266, 6585                          Errata Exist

-- <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2616>

rfc2629.xslt inserts similar information dynamically (querying 
tools.org), example:

	<https://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/rfc2616.html#rfc.status>

(details in 
<https://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/rfc2629xslt/rfc2629xslt.html#rfc-editor.meta-data>).

Best regards, Julian