Re: IETF network incremental plan
Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> Thu, 17 November 2016 00:16 UTC
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last evening i was carrying a question from the noc team but my position in the mic queue was preempted by more important people. but essentially, before we make tactical decisions we would like to know what the purpose and goal of the meeting network is. o folk just want to get work done, and the net should bloody well work o i want to forward test internet futures: ipv6, auth methods, crypto, ... o i have my own stuff i want to test (which may need inbound sessions) o network? what network? in the nat64 case, are we trying to validate the well-known lists of what does not work over nat64, spotify, many vpns, ...? if it is because we think we can modify nat64 to ameliorate the problems, this would be brilliant. if we know what the goals are, we should be able to meet them. so far, the assumption is that o the primary goal of the meeting netowrk is for attendees to get work done o nats breaking applications and inbound connections would be considered as breakage o we do want to support occasional experiments, both non-disruptive and visible (remember the v6-only plenary?) o but basically, i just want my mtv randy, not speaking for anyone else
- IETF network incremental plan JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: IETF network incremental plan Randy Bush
- Re: IETF network incremental plan Ted Lemon
- Re: IETF network incremental plan Paul Wouters
- Re: IETF network incremental plan JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: IETF network incremental plan Michael Richardson
- RE: IETF network incremental plan ynir.ietf
- Re: IETF network incremental plan Brian E Carpenter
- Re: IETF network incremental plan Andrew Sullivan
- Re: IETF network incremental plan David Conrad
- Re: IETF network incremental plan JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: IETF network incremental plan Benson Schliesser
- Re: IETF network incremental plan Dave Crocker
- Re: IETF network incremental plan Tim Chown
- Re: IETF network incremental plan Ted Lemon
- Re: IETF network incremental plan Dave Crocker
- Re: IETF network incremental plan Yoav Nir
- Re: IETF network incremental plan Randy Bush
- Re: IETF network incremental plan Jari Arkko
- Re: IETF network incremental plan Brian E Carpenter