Re: [ietf80-1st-timers] Meet and Greet Invitation

Acee Lindem <> Fri, 25 March 2011 20:20 UTC

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I've been to a couple of these and have never been short of conversations with newcomers - I'm not sure if this is due to the intrinsic enchantment of OSPF or my proximity to the free beer and wine :^). The one thing that WG chairs do need to do is to avoid the temptation to simply talk to one another. 
On Mar 25, 2011, at 4:03 PM, Joe Touch wrote:

> I agree, but in a different way. IMO, the meet-and-greet isn't just 
> about the WGs the newbies came for, but to help understand the entire 
> breadth of what the IETF does. Introduce your areas of interest, and 
> discuss your WGs too. Newbies need to know the broader context in which 
> their work occurs.
> Joe
> On 3/25/2011 12:24 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
>> Balderdash. If you don't know about that WG and you don't know the
>> chairs, track down an AD for that area. If you don't know the AD for the
>> area, track down an AD you know. If that AD doesn't know the AD for the
>> area, we have big problems. :)
>> On 3/25/11 1:21 PM, DRAGE, Keith (Keith) wrote:
>>> If I arrive in time, I (and the rest of the WG chairs) will all be
>>> walking around with labels attached to our badges saying which
>>> working group we are.
>>> The problem I find is that when I go up to one of the newcomers
>>> cowering nervously in a corner, I usually find he or she is
>>> interested in a working group I know absolutely nothing about. So
>>> apart from making some general comments on what they should or should
>>> not do, I find the communication a bit of a non-starter.
>>> So in the absence of any better method of initiating this
>>> communication, the newcomers have to approach the WG chairs if you
>>> want to be sure of success.
>>> Keith
>>>> -----Original Message----- From:
>>>> [] On Behalf Of Peter Saint-Andre
>>>> Sent: 25 March 2011 15:51 To: John C Klensin Cc: IETF Working Group
>>>> Chairs; Subject: Re: Meet and Greet
>>>> Invitation
>>>> Yes, I try to break up those little groups, too. :)
>>>> On 3/25/11 9:35 AM, John C Klensin wrote:
>>>>> Let me add one additional suggestion to Ross's note (and with the
>>>>> same disclaimer) for those first-time attendees who are coming:
>>>>> Most of the "leadership" folks who attend will have spent much of
>>>>> Sunday in intense meetings of various sorts. Often, usually quite
>>>>> unintentionally, they will end up in little clusters continuing
>>>>> those conversations or talking about WG management issues.  That
>>>>> is not what they are at the event for and they know it.  Don't
>>>>> hesitate to interrupt those conversations to introduce
>>>>> yourselves, ask questions, etc.  If necessary, think of it as
>>>>> helping them earn their free beer and wine.
>>>>> john
>>>>> --On Friday, March 25, 2011 08:21 -0400 Ross Callon
>>>>> <>  wrote:
>>>>>> First time attendees might want to note (with the understanding
>>>>>> that I am not involved in any way with organizing these events,
>>>>>> and am just speaking from personal experience):
>>>>>> The meet and greet from 4 to 5 is a relatively small event
>>>>>> (just first time attendees and IETF leadership, such as working
>>>>>> group chairs, are invited). This gives you a better chance to
>>>>>> chat with WG chairs and others in the leadership. Also, at
>>>>>> least in my experience the wine and beer has generally been
>>>>>> free at this event.
>>>>>> The IETF Welcome Reception that follows is a larger event,
>>>>>> where you will see a wider range of IETF attendees. However,
>>>>>> you will need to pay for the wine and beer at the welcome
>>>>>> reception.
>>>>>> So there is good motivation to attend both events!