Re: [Igmp-mld-bis] IGMPv3 / MLDv2 survey

[Olufemi Komolafe <[e-mail]>]

Great work Tim.  Thanks :-)

Regards,
Femi

> On 7 Feb 2020, at 17:07, Tim Chown <[e-mail]> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have made the changes, mostly, as suggested, and the new survey is live at:
> https://jisc.onlinesurveys.ac.uk/implementation-and-deployment-of-igmpv3-and-mldv2 <https://jisc.onlinesurveys.ac.uk/implementation-and-deployment-of-igmpv3-and-mldv2>
> 
> I have set a close date of 13th March 2020.
> 
> Note I have allowed people to skip entering their name, affiliation and email.  We will know which entries are anonymous.  If you’d really rather force people to add this info, I can change it.
> 
> If you’d like the text on the welcome / splash page updated, that’s easy to do.
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
>> On 16 Jan 2020, at 05:02, Suneesh Babu <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim,
>>  
>> Is there any update on the new version of the survey or Is the survey over(survey link is no more working)?
>>  
>> Regards,
>> Suneesh
>>  
>> From: Igmp-mld-bis <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> on behalf of Tim Chown <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>
>> Date: Tuesday, 26 November 2019 at 3:28 PM
>> To: "Mankamana Mishra (mankamis)" <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>
>> Cc: "[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>" <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>, "[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>" <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>, Timothy Winters <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>, "[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>" <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>, "[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>" <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>, "[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>" <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>, "femi=[e-mail] <mailto:femi=[e-mail]>" <femi=[e-mail] <mailto:femi=[e-mail]>>
>> Subject: Re: [Igmp-mld-bis] IGMPv3 / MLDv2 survey
>>  
>> OK, I’ll look to address the comments to date and send a new version to this list very soon.
>>  
>> Tim
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>>> On 25 Nov 2019, at 15:39, Mankamana Mishra (mankamis) <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> Looks good 
>>>  
>>> From: Igmp-mld-bis <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> on behalf of Timothy Winters <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>
>>> Date: Monday, November 25, 2019 at 7:03 PM
>>> To: Tim Chown <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>
>>> Cc: "[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>" <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>, "[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>" <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>, "[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>" <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>, "Mankamana Mishra (mankamis)" <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>, "[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>" <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>, "[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>" <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>, "femi=[e-mail] <mailto:femi=[e-mail]>" <femi=[e-mail] <mailto:femi=[e-mail]>>
>>> Subject: Re: [Igmp-mld-bis] IGMPv3 / MLDv2 survey
>>>  
>>> I looked at the latest survey and I don't have any additional comments.
>>>  
>>> ~Tim
>>>  
>>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 8:21 AM Tim Chown <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>>>> Hi, 
>>>>  
>>>> You may have missed a more recent email Nic, as I fixed the "more info" issue… see https://jisc.onlinesurveys.ac.uk/survey-on-implementations-and-deployment-of-igmpv3-and-mld-2 <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/jisc.onlinesurveys.ac.uk/survey-on-implementations-and-deployment-of-igmpv3-and-mld-2__;!8WoA6RjC81c!QuxYuF7jXnfqCIdXTTNpI_-DuutZKh3UD2MHGUqMw6RmAJ9jpbM1uSZcSkf9G5c$>
>>>>  
>>>> What I need is a list of things to fix, then I’ll clone, edit and rerelease the survey so we can go live.
>>>>  
>>>> Tim
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 25 Nov 2019, at 12:53, [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>>>  
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>  
>>>>> looks good.
>>>>>  
>>>>> One remark. There are several “more info” buttons, but the info itself seems to be missing. I think we should at least for some of the questions have some more details/explanation (specifically questions related to the potential problems with the fallback between versions).
>>>>>  
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>  
>>>>> Nic
>>>>>  
>>>>> Von: Igmp-mld-bis <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> Im Auftrag von Olufemi Komolafe
>>>>> Gesendet: Montag, 25. November 2019 13:16
>>>>> An: Tim Chown <[e-mail] <mailto:Tim.Chown@jisc..ac.uk>>
>>>>> Cc: Stig Venaas <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>; Mike McBride <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>; Michael McBride <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>; Mankamana Mishra (mankamis) <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>; [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>
>>>>> Betreff: Re: [Igmp-mld-bis] IGMPv3 / MLDv2 survey
>>>>>  
>>>>> Tim,
>>>>>  
>>>>> Thanks.  Looks good to me.  I don’t have anything to add other than my earlier suggestions which you’ve replied to.
>>>>>  
>>>>> Anyone else got any comments?
>>>>>  
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Femi
>>>>>  
>>>>>> On 21 Nov 2019, at 15:07, Tim Chown <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]..uk>> wrote:
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Hi, 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Can I get a final list of changes required?
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> It’s now at this URL, same pw of ietfpim.
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> https://jisc.onlinesurveys.ac.uk/survey-on-implementations-and-deployment-of-igmpv3-and-mld-2 <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/jisc.onlinesurveys.ac.uk/survey-on-implementations-and-deployment-of-igmpv3-and-mld-2__;!8WoA6RjC81c!QuxYuF7jXnfqCIdXTTNpI_-DuutZKh3UD2MHGUqMw6RmAJ9jpbM1uSZcSkf9G5c$>
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 18 Nov 2019, at 11:41, Mike McBride <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> Feel free to use [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]> for questions unless you want to
>>>>>>> use one of your own emails.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> thanks, its looking good.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> mike
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 2:42 AM Tim Chown <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Some points picked up on below, the rest I’ll wait for consensus...
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 18 Nov 2019, at 10:34, Olufemi Komolafe <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Tim,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The survey looks really good!  Thanks for helping with this; much appreciated :-)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Please see inline for some responses….
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 18 Nov 2019, at 09:44, Tim Chown <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]..uk>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 5:41 AM Tim Chown <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Apologies for the delay in setting this up.  I have launched a (draft) survey at:
>>>>>>>> https://jisc.onlinesurveys.ac.uk/survey-on-implementations-and-deployment-of-igmpv3-and-mld <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/jisc.onlinesurveys.ac.uk/survey-on-implementations-and-deployment-of-igmpv3-and-mld__;!8WoA6RjC81c!QuxYuF7jXnfqCIdXTTNpI_-DuutZKh3UD2MHGUqMw6RmAJ9jpbM1uSZcJGbazMk$>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I have set a password of ietfpim for now.  I used an IETF logo rather than the Jisc one.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I have tried to add some logic to allow vendors and/or operators to use the same questionnaire.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Please test vigorously and check it captures the spirit of the draft correctly.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Some questions for you -
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> - which questions should be compulsory?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I’m not sure we need to make any questions compulsory.  Hopefully folks will answer most/all the questions.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> - should the anonymous question come before we ask names etc?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Yes, I think that the question about anonymity should come before asking for the name/contact info.  I do think we should still ask for the name/contact info, even if they indicate they want to complete it anonymously, as supplying this personal info will probably make people feel a bit more accountable and so will likely give their replies a bit more consideration.  I think we should clarify what we mean by “anonymously” by changing the question to:
>>>>>>>> “Do you wish to complete the survey anonymously (in which case you will not be identified in the report)?"
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> - should the issues with fallback be a y/n answer (as is) or a “What issues have you had with…” free text?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I think the free text idea is better.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> - I added a final “any other comments” type question.  Is that ok?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Yep, good idea.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Also, some other thoughts…...
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I think we should change:
>>>>>>>> Would you like to complete the part of the survey targeted at vendors and host implementors?
>>>>>>>> + Yes
>>>>>>>> + No
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> Which part of the survey would you like to complete?  The part targeted at
>>>>>>>> + Vendor and host implementors?
>>>>>>>> + Network operators?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The problem with that is the some people might want to do both, but also that the survey tool doesn’t support such a flow; if you choose the implementor one when you get to the end of that you hit the operator section, so I need to ask twice, whichever way it’s done anyway.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> In case they find our list insufficient, should we add a box in which they can write in “Any other feature” after the list we provide for the “Which IGMPv3 and MLDv2 features do you use?” question?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Will numbering the questions help processing the results etc?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> They are numbered, I just don’t have that turned on.  I could do so.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Also, should we put a contact email address at the start in case people have questions?  Perhaps the WG chairs?  Or your own?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> We can do that - if so let me know whose details to add.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Femi
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> While you consider those, I’ll find out why each question has a pointless “More info” box next to it.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Bes6t wishes,
>>>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>  
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