Re: [Igmp-mld-bis] Meet in Montreal?

Olufemi Komolafe <femi@arista.com> Thu, 29 August 2019 08:52 UTC

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Cc: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>, Timothy Winters <twinters@iol.unh.edu>, Tim.Chown@jisc.ac.uk, "igmp-mld-bis@ietf.org" <igmp-mld-bis@ietf.org>, Hitoshi Asaeda <asaeda@ieee.org>
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Subject: Re: [Igmp-mld-bis] Meet in Montreal?
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Nice one Mike.  I will update the draft….

Regards,
Femi
> On 29 Aug 2019, at 01:58, Mike McBride <mmcbride7@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> OK I just submitted a lightning talk proposal for the upcoming NANOG
> to get the word out at least to the N. Amer community. So at least we
> have a deadline to get this finalized.
> 
> So who wants to update the draft per the discussion we had in the last
> pim meeting and get this thing done? If no one volunteers I'll have a
> go. Then Stig and I can work on polling the various communities. At
> the next ietf we can then report that we have polled the communities
> and are gathering the responses. Sound good?
> 
> thanks,
> mike
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 2:16 AM Olufemi Komolafe <femi@arista.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Mike,
>> 
>> 
>>> On 6 Aug 2019, at 00:07, Mike McBride <mmcbride7@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The next NANOG is Oct 28-30 in Austin, TX. May help to request time
>>> (perhaps lightening talk) to discuss this effort and get feedback from
>>> N. American Operators. I'm going to try to be there.
>>> 
>> 
>> Sounds like a good idea :-)
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Femi
>> 
>>> mike
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 10:38 AM Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks folks for catching up.
>>>> 
>>>> Points collected:
>>>> 
>>>> a) Tim Chown: When you get irregular responses like "i do not understand
>>>>  the questions", please inform us (anonymized).
>>>> 
>>>> b) Let discuss during WG meeting ideas whom to send to:
>>>>   groups, e.g.:
>>>>     internet2 multicast group
>>>>   multiplicators, e.g.:
>>>>     Dino Farinacci (still working with a customer, knowin operators).
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers
>>>>   Toerless
>>>> 
>>>> In-Reply-To: <20190723154907.3b74oiijconcdgjv@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de>
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 05:49:07PM +0200, Toerless Eckert wrote:
>>>>> I need to chair my WG at 1:30, so meet would be nice, but i don't think
>>>>> that time then is sufficient to go to some lunch place, so if anybody
>>>>> is interest to go to llunch at noon, let me know, i will be back at 1PM
>>>>> before Laurier to meet.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 11:36:17AM -0400, Timothy Winters wrote:
>>>>>> I can be free at 1.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ~Tim
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 11:34 AM Olufemi Komolafe <femi=
>>>>>> 40arista.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Perhaps we can meet at 1pm then if that works better?  Perhaps Tim will be
>>>>>>> free by then too?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> We can meet on the first floor, perhaps at the entrance to Laurier?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Femi
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 23 Jul 2019, at 11:30, Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> How long do you think ? 12:30 ?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 11:28:50AM -0400, Hitoshi Asaeda wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Ah, sorry, I'm also booked another meeting this noon.
>>>>>>>>> But whenever my meeting is over, I try to join.
>>>>>>>>> Sorry about that.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hitoshi
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 23, 2019, at 11:24, Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Sounds good. Foyer = ground floor of hotel ?!
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 09:46:27AM -0400, Olufemi Komolafe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Does meeting at noon today still work for the folks in Montreal?  If
>>>>>>> so, shall we just meet in the foyer and we can grab a spot to chat?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I think our goal should be to try to ensure there???s nothing
>>>>>>> outstanding and finalise what we should tell the WG chairs to try to
>>>>>>> progress this work, hopefully this week.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> Femi
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 19 Jul 2019, at 07:45, Olufemi Komolafe <femi@arista.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I???ll be there too.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> So I believe we have Tim, Toerless, Hitoshi and myself.  Anyone else?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Shall we try to meet on Tuesday, then?  Say at noon?  Anyone that
>>>>>>> does not suit?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nice work getting a response to the survey, Hitoshi.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Femi
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 19 Jul 2019, at 11:28, Hitoshi Asaeda <asaeda@ieee.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll be there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry I've not contributed to this draft update.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not an operator and have no information privately, but I asked
>>>>>>> one Japanese operator to give some input based on the questionnaire and got
>>>>>>> it. I hope it can be a good input.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hitoshi
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===from here===
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.2.  Questionnaire for Network Operators
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Name: Takatoshi Ikeda
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Affiliation/Organization: APAN-JP
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Contact Email: ops@jp.apan.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you wish to keep your name and affiliation confidential?:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.2.1.  Deployment Status
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which of the following are currently deployed in your network?  And
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for how long has it been deployed?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.  IGMPv1 [RFC1112] deployed?: N, since:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.  IGMPv2 [RFC2236] deployed?: Y, since:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.  IGMPv3 [RFC3376] deployed?: Y, since:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.  Lightweight IGMPv3 [RFC5790] Implemented: N, since:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5.  MLDv1 [RFC2710] deployed?: Y, since:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6.  MLDv2 [RFC3810] deployed?: Y, since:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7.  Lightweight MLDv2 [RFC5790] deployed?: N, since:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.2.2.  Deployment Specifics
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.  Which IGMPv3 features are in use?  (Is Exclude mode with source
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  list in use?)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Membership-report for SSM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   No filter function is used.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.  Which MLDv2 features are in use?  (Is Exclude mode with source
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  list in use?)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Membership-report for SSM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   No filter function is used.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.  Does your network rely on the fallback mechanism between
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  different IGMP versions?  (Between which IGMP versions?)  (What
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  is your experience with this fallback mechanism?)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   No
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.  Are you using equipment with different (multi-vendor)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  implementations for your deployment?  (Have you encountered any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  inter-operability or backward-compatibility issues amongst
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  differing implementations?)  (What are your concerns about these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  issues?)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  No
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.2.3.  Deployment Perspectives
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.  What have you found to be the strengths of IGMPv3/MLDv2?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Specifying Source for Multicast
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.  What have you found to be the weaknesses of IGMPv3/MLDv2?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  None
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.  What suggestions would you make to the PIM WG as it seeks to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  update these documents?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===to here===
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 2019, at 4:59, Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope i can go to IETF105 and would be happy to meet. Have not
>>>>>>> tried to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work out my schedule, but if i am there, it will be whole week.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who else is coming ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toerless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 07:07:55PM +0000, Mankamana Mishra
>>>>>>> (mankamis) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This IETF I would not be able to make it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mankamana
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Igmp-mld-bis <igmp-mld-bis-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of
>>>>>>> Timothy Winters <twinters@iol.unh.edu>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Monday, July 15, 2019 at 12:06 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Olufemi Komolafe <femi=40arista.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: "igmp-mld-bis@ietf.org" <igmp-mld-bis@ietf.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Igmp-mld-bis] Meet in Montreal?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm available Tuesday morning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~Tim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 3:01 PM Olufemi Komolafe <femi=
>>>>>>> 40arista.com@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:40arista.com@dmarc.ietf.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not sure who is attending IETF 105 in Montreal next week but I
>>>>>>> was thinking that perhaps those of us attending can fix a time/place to
>>>>>>> meet up?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It might be an idea to meet on Monday or Tuesday, i.e. before the
>>>>>>> PIM WG meeting on Thursday, to try to progress and finalise the survey?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, there have been some discussions on the thread recently so
>>>>>>> it???d be good for folks to please take a look and provide any
>>>>>>> thoughts/feedback?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my opinion, we should aim to handing over the survey to the WG
>>>>>>> chairs before the meeting so the focus can shift on to starting the actual
>>>>>>> mechanics of distributing the survey etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Femi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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