Re: [Igmp-mld-bis] IGMPv3 / MLDv2 survey
Timothy Winters <twinters@iol.unh.edu> Mon, 10 February 2020 14:50 UTC
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From: Timothy Winters <twinters@iol.unh.edu>
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 09:50:17 -0500
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To: Tim Chown <Tim.Chown@jisc.ac.uk>
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Subject: Re: [Igmp-mld-bis] IGMPv3 / MLDv2 survey
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Looks good to me. Regards, Tim On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 5:13 AM Tim Chown <Tim.Chown@jisc.ac.uk> wrote: > So, > > What do we want to do? Are people happy with this version? If so, I > think it can be circulated. There would then be about 4 weeks to fill it > in, and a week to look at the results before Vancouver. > > Tim > > On 7 Feb 2020, at 19:51, Olufemi Komolafe <femi@arista.com> wrote: > > Great work Tim. Thanks :-) > > Regards, > Femi > > On 7 Feb 2020, at 17:07, Tim Chown <Tim.Chown@jisc.ac.uk> wrote: > > Hi, > > I have made the changes, mostly, as suggested, and the new survey is live > at: > > https://jisc.onlinesurveys.ac.uk/implementation-and-deployment-of-igmpv3-and-mldv2 > > I have set a close date of 13th March 2020. > > Note I have allowed people to skip entering their name, affiliation and > email. We will know which entries are anonymous. If you’d really rather > force people to add this info, I can change it. > > If you’d like the text on the welcome / splash page updated, that’s easy > to do. > > Tim > > > On 16 Jan 2020, at 05:02, Suneesh Babu <suneesh@juniper.net> wrote: > > Hi Tim, > > Is there any update on the new version of the survey or Is the survey > over(survey link is no more working)? > > Regards, > Suneesh > > *From: *Igmp-mld-bis <igmp-mld-bis-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Tim > Chown <Tim.Chown@jisc.ac.uk> > *Date: *Tuesday, 26 November 2019 at 3:28 PM > *To: *"Mankamana Mishra (mankamis)" <mankamis@cisco.com> > *Cc: *"igmp-mld-bis@ietf.org" <igmp-mld-bis@ietf.org>, " > michael.mcbride@futurewei.com" <michael.mcbride@futurewei.com>, Timothy > Winters <twinters@iol.unh.edu>, "stig@venaas.com" <stig@venaas.com>, " > N.Leymann@telekom.de" <N.Leymann@telekom.de>, "mmcbride7@gmail.com" < > mmcbride7@gmail.com>, "femi=40arista.com@dmarc.ietf.org" < > femi=40arista.com@dmarc.ietf.org> > *Subject: *Re: [Igmp-mld-bis] IGMPv3 / MLDv2 survey > > OK, I’ll look to address the comments to date and send a new version to > this list very soon. > > Tim > > > > > > > > On 25 Nov 2019, at 15:39, Mankamana Mishra (mankamis) <mankamis@cisco.com> > wrote: > > Looks good > > *From: *Igmp-mld-bis <igmp-mld-bis-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Timothy > Winters <twinters@iol.unh.edu> > *Date: *Monday, November 25, 2019 at 7:03 PM > *To: *Tim Chown <Tim.Chown@jisc.ac.uk> > *Cc: *"igmp-mld-bis@ietf.org" <igmp-mld-bis@ietf.org>, " > michael.mcbride@futurewei.com" <michael.mcbride@futurewei.com>, " > stig@venaas.com" <stig@venaas.com>, "Mankamana Mishra (mankamis)" < > mankamis@cisco.com>, "N.Leymann@telekom.de" <N.Leymann@telekom.de>, " > mmcbride7@gmail.com" <mmcbride7@gmail.com>, " > femi=40arista.com@dmarc.ietf.org" <femi=40arista.com@dmarc.ietf.org> > *Subject: *Re: [Igmp-mld-bis] IGMPv3 / MLDv2 survey > > I looked at the latest survey and I don't have any additional comments. > > ~Tim > > On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 8:21 AM Tim Chown <Tim.Chown@jisc.ac.uk> wrote: > > Hi, > > You may have missed a more recent email Nic, as I fixed the "more info" > issue… see > https://jisc.onlinesurveys.ac.uk/survey-on-implementations-and-deployment-of-igmpv3-and-mld-2 > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/jisc.onlinesurveys.ac.uk/survey-on-implementations-and-deployment-of-igmpv3-and-mld-2__;!8WoA6RjC81c!QuxYuF7jXnfqCIdXTTNpI_-DuutZKh3UD2MHGUqMw6RmAJ9jpbM1uSZcSkf9G5c$> > > What I need is a list of things to fix, then I’ll clone, edit and > rerelease the survey so we can go live. > > Tim > > > > On 25 Nov 2019, at 12:53, N.Leymann@telekom.de wrote: > > Hi, > > looks good. > > One remark. There are several “more info” buttons, but the info itself > seems to be missing. I think we should at least for some of the questions > have some more details/explanation (specifically questions related to the > potential problems with the fallback between versions). > > Regards > > Nic > > *Von:* Igmp-mld-bis <igmp-mld-bis-bounces@ietf.org> *Im Auftrag von *Olufemi > Komolafe > *Gesendet:* Montag, 25. November 2019 13:16 > *An:* Tim Chown <Tim.Chown@jisc.ac.uk <Tim.Chown@jisc..ac.uk>> > *Cc:* Stig Venaas <stig@venaas.com>; Mike McBride <mmcbride7@gmail.com>; > Michael McBride <michael.mcbride@futurewei.com>; Mankamana Mishra > (mankamis) <mankamis@cisco.com>; igmp-mld-bis@ietf.org > *Betreff:* Re: [Igmp-mld-bis] IGMPv3 / MLDv2 survey > > Tim, > > Thanks. Looks good to me. I don’t have anything to add other than my > earlier suggestions which you’ve replied to. > > Anyone else got any comments? > > Regards, > Femi > > > On 21 Nov 2019, at 15:07, Tim Chown <Tim..Chown@jisc.ac.uk > <Tim.Chown@jisc.ac..uk>> wrote: > > Hi, > > Can I get a final list of changes required? > > It’s now at this URL, same pw of ietfpim. > > > https://jisc.onlinesurveys.ac.uk/survey-on-implementations-and-deployment-of-igmpv3-and-mld-2 > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/jisc.onlinesurveys.ac.uk/survey-on-implementations-and-deployment-of-igmpv3-and-mld-2__;!8WoA6RjC81c!QuxYuF7jXnfqCIdXTTNpI_-DuutZKh3UD2MHGUqMw6RmAJ9jpbM1uSZcSkf9G5c$> > > Tim > > > > > On 18 Nov 2019, at 11:41, Mike McBride <mmcbride7@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Feel free to use pim-chairs@ietf.org for questions unless you want to > use one of your own emails. > > thanks, its looking good. > > mike > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 2:42 AM Tim Chown <Tim.Chown@jisc.ac.uk> wrote: > > > Hi, > > Some points picked up on below, the rest I’ll wait for consensus... > > On 18 Nov 2019, at 10:34, Olufemi Komolafe <femi@arista.com> wrote: > > Tim, > > The survey looks really good! Thanks for helping with this; much > appreciated :-) > > Please see inline for some responses…. > > > On 18 Nov 2019, at 09:44, Tim Chown <Tim..Chown@jisc.ac.uk > <Tim.Chown@jisc.ac..uk>> wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 5:41 AM Tim Chown <Tim.Chown@jisc.ac.uk> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > Apologies for the delay in setting this up. I have launched a (draft) > survey at: > > https://jisc.onlinesurveys.ac.uk/survey-on-implementations-and-deployment-of-igmpv3-and-mld > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/jisc.onlinesurveys.ac.uk/survey-on-implementations-and-deployment-of-igmpv3-and-mld__;!8WoA6RjC81c!QuxYuF7jXnfqCIdXTTNpI_-DuutZKh3UD2MHGUqMw6RmAJ9jpbM1uSZcJGbazMk$> > > I have set a password of ietfpim for now. I used an IETF logo rather than > the Jisc one. > > I have tried to add some logic to allow vendors and/or operators to use > the same questionnaire. > > Please test vigorously and check it captures the spirit of the draft > correctly. > > Some questions for you - > > - which questions should be compulsory? > > > I’m not sure we need to make any questions compulsory. Hopefully folks > will answer most/all the questions. > > > - should the anonymous question come before we ask names etc? > > > Yes, I think that the question about anonymity should come before asking > for the name/contact info. I do think we should still ask for the > name/contact info, even if they indicate they want to complete it > anonymously, as supplying this personal info will probably make people feel > a bit more accountable and so will likely give their replies a bit more > consideration. I think we should clarify what we mean by “anonymously” by > changing the question to: > “Do you wish to complete the survey anonymously (in which case you will > not be identified in the report)?" > > > - should the issues with fallback be a y/n answer (as is) or a “What > issues have you had with…” free text? > > > I think the free text idea is better. > > > - I added a final “any other comments” type question. Is that ok? > > > Yep, good idea. > > > Also, some other thoughts…... > > I think we should change: > Would you like to complete the part of the survey targeted at vendors and > host implementors? > + Yes > + No > to > Which part of the survey would you like to complete? The part targeted at > + Vendor and host implementors? > + Network operators? > > > The problem with that is the some people might want to do both, but also > that the survey tool doesn’t support such a flow; if you choose the > implementor one when you get to the end of that you hit the operator > section, so I need to ask twice, whichever way it’s done anyway. > > In case they find our list insufficient, should we add a box in which they > can write in “Any other feature” after the list we provide for the “Which > IGMPv3 and MLDv2 features do you use?” question? > > Will numbering the questions help processing the results etc? > > > They are numbered, I just don’t have that turned on. I could do so. > > Also, should we put a contact email address at the start in case people > have questions? Perhaps the WG chairs? Or your own? > > > We can do that - if so let me know whose details to add. > > Tim > > > Thanks, > Femi > > > > While you consider those, I’ll find out why each question has a pointless > “More info” box next to it. > > Bes6t wishes, > Tim > > > -- > Igmp-mld-bis mailing list > Igmp-mld-bis@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/igmp-mld-bis > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/igmp-mld-bis__;!8WoA6RjC81c!QuxYuF7jXnfqCIdXTTNpI_-DuutZKh3UD2MHGUqMw6RmAJ9jpbM1uSZcmt7UXwI$> > > > > >
- [Igmp-mld-bis] New draft posted Olufemi Komolafe
- Re: [Igmp-mld-bis] New draft posted Olufemi Komolafe
- Re: [Igmp-mld-bis] New draft posted Mankamana Mishra (mankamis)
- Re: [Igmp-mld-bis] New draft posted Michael McBride
- Re: [Igmp-mld-bis] New draft posted Stig Venaas
- Re: [Igmp-mld-bis] New draft posted Tim Chown
- Re: [Igmp-mld-bis] New draft posted Olufemi Komolafe
- Re: [Igmp-mld-bis] New draft posted Tim Chown
- Re: [Igmp-mld-bis] New draft posted Tim Chown
- Re: [Igmp-mld-bis] New draft posted Olufemi Komolafe
- Re: [Igmp-mld-bis] New draft posted Michael McBride
- Re: [Igmp-mld-bis] New draft posted Tim Chown
- Re: [Igmp-mld-bis] New draft posted Olufemi Komolafe
- Re: [Igmp-mld-bis] New draft posted Tim Chown
- Re: [Igmp-mld-bis] New draft posted Olufemi Komolafe
- Re: [Igmp-mld-bis] New draft posted Tim Chown
- [Igmp-mld-bis] IGMPv3 / MLDv2 survey Tim Chown
- Re: [Igmp-mld-bis] IGMPv3 / MLDv2 survey Stig Venaas
- Re: [Igmp-mld-bis] IGMPv3 / MLDv2 survey Tim Chown
- Re: [Igmp-mld-bis] IGMPv3 / MLDv2 survey Olufemi Komolafe
- Re: [Igmp-mld-bis] IGMPv3 / MLDv2 survey Tim Chown
- Re: [Igmp-mld-bis] IGMPv3 / MLDv2 survey Mike McBride
- Re: [Igmp-mld-bis] IGMPv3 / MLDv2 survey Tim Chown
- Re: [Igmp-mld-bis] IGMPv3 / MLDv2 survey Olufemi Komolafe
- Re: [Igmp-mld-bis] IGMPv3 / MLDv2 survey N.Leymann
- Re: [Igmp-mld-bis] IGMPv3 / MLDv2 survey Tim Chown
- Re: [Igmp-mld-bis] IGMPv3 / MLDv2 survey Timothy Winters
- Re: [Igmp-mld-bis] IGMPv3 / MLDv2 survey Mankamana Mishra (mankamis)
- Re: [Igmp-mld-bis] IGMPv3 / MLDv2 survey Tim Chown
- Re: [Igmp-mld-bis] IGMPv3 / MLDv2 survey Suneesh Babu
- Re: [Igmp-mld-bis] IGMPv3 / MLDv2 survey Tim Chown
- Re: [Igmp-mld-bis] IGMPv3 / MLDv2 survey Olufemi Komolafe
- Re: [Igmp-mld-bis] IGMPv3 / MLDv2 survey Tim Chown
- Re: [Igmp-mld-bis] IGMPv3 / MLDv2 survey Olufemi Komolafe
- Re: [Igmp-mld-bis] IGMPv3 / MLDv2 survey Tim Chown
- Re: [Igmp-mld-bis] IGMPv3 / MLDv2 survey Timothy Winters