Re: [Ila] [lisp] LISP for ILA
Tom Herbert <tom@quantonium.net> Fri, 16 March 2018 17:58 UTC
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From: Tom Herbert <tom@quantonium.net>
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 10:58:42 -0700
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To: Dino Farinacci <farinacci@gmail.com>
Cc: Florin Coras <fcoras.lists@gmail.com>, "Alberto Rodriguez Natal (natal)" <natal@cisco.com>, "ila@ietf.org" <ila@ietf.org>, "lisp@ietf.org" <lisp@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Ila] [lisp] LISP for ILA
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On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 10:38 AM, Dino Farinacci <farinacci@gmail.com> wrote: >> Attackers don't typically set the evil bit in packets and will >> otherwise try to make their packets indistiguishable from legitimate >> traffic. Can you provide a reference to a specific solution with an >> algorithm that is able separate the bad packets from the good packets >> wrt the cache. > > All you can really do to solve this problem is (from the perspective of a LISP Map-Resolver): > > (1) You sent a request for an EID too often, I’m dropping future requets from you. > > (2) You sent a request for any EID too often, I’m dropping future requests from you. > > (3) I am getting too many requests for an EID from many sources, start dropping them. > > (4) I am getting too many requests on this specific map-resolver address, I’m going to deconfigure it. If its an anycast-address, the requests will start going to the next closest map-resolver. > > (5) I am getting too many requests on this specific map-resolver address, I’m going to deconfigure it. If it is not an anycast-address, packets are dropped by my penultimate hop. Good actors know other map-resolvers to send to, to get their requests resolved. > > (6) Do (4) and (5) by withdrawing the route from BGP. So the high-rate of requests get dropped closer to the bad actors. > > In (4)-(6), I have referred to this as “solving DoS attacks with frequency-hopping techniques”. And I was thinking of doing it *with no signalling*. So good actors have to be robust to send to other map-resolvers, either serially or in parallel. > > Comments? > Dino, I'm pretty confused by who "I" is, who "you" is, as well as what constitutes "too often" or "too many requests". Is there a normative descirption of this algorithm we can look at? Thanks, Tom > Dino > > > >
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- Re: [Ila] LISP for ILA Alberto Rodriguez Natal (natal)
- Re: [Ila] LISP for ILA Alberto Rodriguez Natal (natal)
- Re: [Ila] LISP for ILA Tom Herbert
- Re: [Ila] LISP for ILA Alberto Rodriguez Natal (natal)
- Re: [Ila] [lisp] LISP for ILA Florin Coras
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- Re: [Ila] [lisp] LISP for ILA Richard Li
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- Re: [Ila] [lisp] LISP for ILA Dino Farinacci
- Re: [Ila] [lisp] LISP for ILA Tom Herbert
- Re: [Ila] [lisp] LISP for ILA Dino Farinacci
- Re: [Ila] [lisp] LISP for ILA Tom Herbert
- Re: [Ila] [lisp] LISP for ILA Dino Farinacci
- Re: [Ila] [lisp] LISP for ILA Paul Vinciguerra
- Re: [Ila] [lisp] LISP for ILA Tom Herbert
- Re: [Ila] [lisp] LISP for ILA Dino Farinacci
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- Re: [Ila] [lisp] LISP for ILA Uma Chunduri
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- Re: [Ila] [lisp] LISP for ILA Dino Farinacci
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