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Martin J. Dürst <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp> Mon, 17 October 2016 09:11 UTC

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Hello Ned,

On 2016/10/16 22:48, ned+ima@mrochek.com wrote:
>>> Seriously, at least in the near term, I'd oppose letting anyone post to an
>>> IETF list from a non-ASCII address.  This has been discussed before in other
>>> contexts, but it is important that we, as a standards body, be able to identify
>>> who is posting to our lists and trying to influence outcomes.
>
>> I'm confused because I don't see how EAI addresses would be less accountable
>> than ASCII addresses.  Sure, they might be less readable, but surely people
>> could have JohnDoe@SpecialServer.whatever and we'd have no clue who they
>> "really" were.
>
> You're missing the point. If I send to an IETF list from an EAI address, the
> message I send is going to be an EAI message. Given the way EAI works, that
> message is only going to reach the (currently small) subset of list
> participants for whom the path to their eyeballs is EAI-capable at every step
> along the way.

In Shawn's defense, I have to admit that I also read John's email as 
saying "if somebody had a non-ASCII address, they would be less 
accountable" independent of the mailing list complications that he 
mentioned afterwards. I was already going to reply to John about this, 
but then I saw Shawn's mail.


> The effect of this is to essentially to create a EAI-capable subset of any
> discussion. That breaks accontability, as John notes. But perhaps more
> important is the fact that it also breaks the entire open model.

Well, the message would go to the mailing list archive, which should be 
enough for theoretical accountability and openness. But of course, a 
mailing list where contributions from some set of participants to some 
other set of participants regularly disappear in a black hole don't make 
much sense.


> Like it or not, that's not possible at this point. Perhaps that will change at
> some point in the future when the penetration of EAI has increased, but until
> it does the best we could offer is to allow EAI addresses to receive the list
> but not post to the list. And I don't think that's of sufficient utility
> to bother implementing.

For the moment, I agree.

Regards,   Martin.

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