Re: [EAI] [dmarc-ietf] I18ndir last call review of draft-ietf-dmarc-eaiauth-03

"John R Levine" <johnl@taugh.com> Wed, 20 March 2019 03:14 UTC

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Subject: Re: [EAI] [dmarc-ietf] I18ndir last call review of draft-ietf-dmarc-eaiauth-03
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On Tue, 20 Mar 2019, Martin J. Dürst wrote:
>> What do we call mail that's not EAI mail?
>
> Maybe just that, 'non-EAI mail'? Or something like "mail that needs the
> SMTPUTF8 extension for transmission"? Or "mail with non-ASCII addresses"?

Non-EAI seems simple enough.

>> It's not ASCII mail, since non-EAI messages can contain any character 
>> sets you want in the message body.

> And in comments in headers, if properly encoded.

With 8BITMIME, which is supported by pretty much every MTA in the world, 
UTF-8 message bodies don't need to be encoded.  They can include literal 
UTF-8 or any other character set that interprets ASCII CR/LF as CR/LF.

I have an updated version of the draft, will post it once the window 
reopens.

Regards,
John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY
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