[EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs
Frank Ellermann <hmdmhdfmhdjmzdtjmzdtzktdkztdjz@gmail.com> Sat, 13 August 2011 20:23 UTC
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Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:23:22 +0200
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Subject: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs
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Hi, looking for something else (= state of the art wrt EAI and SPF) yesterday I stumbled over the "81 IETF EAI meeting minutes" in the mailing list archive, with a note about "UTF-8 in Message-IDs". That was certainly (bad) news from my POV, and whining about it off list I got the tip that waiting for an IETF Last Call is a bad plan when this could be also addressed before WG Last Call. >From my POV the "globally unique forever Message-ID" in mail and news is in essence an early form of what is now a GUID/UUID in other protocols. Maybe a bit more so, in theory there could be UUID collisions, and that's not possible for Message-IDs (in theory). This theory is relevant for NetNews, gateways from or to NetNews, mail and news threading, APOP, and likely other use cases I'm not aware of. Nobody would say replace hex. by UTF-8 in GUID/UUIDs, therefore I fail to see the point of trying something in this direction in Message-IDs. Gateway operators stating that UTF-8 in Message-IDs would be no problem in practise, or that this would be only a minor point when they adopt EAI, might convince me that I'm only paranoid, but I doubt it. And the "EAI experiment" phase did not test this plan, there's no evidence I'm aware of that UTF-8 in Message- IDs is harmless. Did you really check all RFCs using or mentioning Message-IDs for potential side-effects of introducing UTF-8 in the "local", "unique", "left" etc. part of a Message-ID? E.g., does it fly with the Message-ID concept in APOP and CRAM-MD5, or do you intend something in the direction of "updates 2195" to make it work? -Frank
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs John Levine
- [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Frank Ellermann
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs ned+ima
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Charles Lindsey
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs ned+ima
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Dave CROCKER
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs John C Klensin
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs John Levine
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Frank Ellermann
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Frank Ellermann
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs ned+ima
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs ned+ima
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs ned+ima
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs John C Klensin
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs ned+ima
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Charles Lindsey
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Frank Ellermann
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs ned+ima
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Chris Newman
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs John C Klensin
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Charles Lindsey
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Dave CROCKER
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs John C Klensin
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Charles Lindsey
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Julien ÉLIE
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs John C Klensin
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Charles Lindsey
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Julien ÉLIE
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Charles Lindsey
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs John C Klensin
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Frank Ellermann
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs John Levine
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs John C Klensin
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Julien ÉLIE
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Frank Ellermann
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Julien ÉLIE
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Julien ÉLIE
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Frank Ellermann
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs John C Klensin
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Frank Ellermann
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Charles Lindsey
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Julien ÉLIE