Re: [EAI] [IETF] Content Issues [ was: Internationalized Email Internet Draft]
John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> Sat, 15 October 2016 00:21 UTC
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Cc: Harish Chowdhary <harish@nixi.in>, ima@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [EAI] [IETF] Content Issues [ was: Internationalized Email Internet Draft]
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--On Friday, October 14, 2016 09:53 -0700 Franck Martin <fmartin@linkedin.com> wrote: > I tried to subscribe to this list using my email address > 弗兰克@互联网.公司 but mailman replied: > > Your subscription is not allowed because the email address you > gave is insecure. Franck, First and most important, the IETF mail servers, or at least ietfa.amsl.com, do not advertise SMTPUTF8 as a capability. So, given the issues discussed in RFC 6783 and elsewhere, it would be really stupid for the IETF version of mailman to accept a non-ASCII address. One can debate whether, under the "eat our own dogfood" principle or something else, the IETF mail servers should be SMTPUTF8-capable and advertising that extension. I encourage anyone who feels strongly that the servers should support SMTPUTF8 at this time to take it up with the IESG and/or IAOC, or, perhaps even better, to try some extended rants during the Seoul plenary, perhaps delivering those rants in multiple languages that none of the IESG, IAOC, or IAB understand. That would help to make the point about how full SMTPUTF8 support within IETF discussion lists would facilitate communication and diversity. Seriously, at least in the near term, I'd oppose letting anyone post to an IETF list from a non-ASCII address. This has been discussed before in other contexts, but it is important that we, as a standards body, be able to identify who is posting to our lists and trying to influence outcomes. The IETF possibly doesn't go far enough in that direction -- again, a topic that has been discussed before. At least as long as we do our business in English and don't have authoritative translations to and from any other accepted languages of just about everything available, we should stick to addresses that everyone who participates here (in English) can read. I'm belaboring this point only because the special issues involving mailing lists, especially mailing lists whose membership/recipients may involve people from more than one language group, are yet another issue that has to be considered carefully on the way to a world that is fully SMTPUTF8-enabled. best, john
- [EAI] [IETF] Internationalized Email Internet Dra… Harish Chowdhary
- Re: [EAI] [IETF] Internationalized Email Internet… HANSEN, TONY L
- Re: [EAI] [IETF] Internationalized Email Internet… John C Klensin
- Re: [EAI] [IETF] Internationalized Email Internet… nalini.elkins
- [EAI] [IETF] Content Issues [ was: Internationali… nalini.elkins
- [EAI] [IETF] Homographic Attacks [was: Internatio… nalini.elkins
- [EAI] [IETF] Display of Email Addresses [was: Int… nalini.elkins
- [EAI] [IETF] Arabic / Bidirectional Writing Syste… nalini.elkins
- [EAI] [IETF] Multiple Addresses [ was: Internatio… nalini.elkins
- Re: [EAI] [IETF] Display of Email Addresses [was:… Andrew Sullivan
- [EAI] [IETF] Relational Databases: UTF8 [was: Int… nalini.elkins
- Re: [EAI] [IETF] Display of Email Addresses [was:… nalini.elkins
- [EAI] [IETF] Migration / Backward Compatibility [… nalini.elkins
- [EAI] [IETF] Terminology [was: Internationalized … nalini.elkins
- [EAI] General issues and strategy (was: Re: Conte… John C Klensin
- Re: [EAI] [IETF] Internationalized Email Internet… nalini.elkins
- Re: [EAI] General issues and strategy (was: Re: C… nalini.elkins
- Re: [EAI] [IETF] Display of Email Addresses [was:… John C Klensin
- Re: [EAI] [IETF] Content Issues [ was: Internatio… Franck Martin
- Re: [EAI] [IETF] Content Issues [ was: Internatio… John C Klensin
- Re: [EAI] [IETF] Multiple Addresses [ was: Intern… John Bucy
- Re: [EAI] [IETF] Multiple Addresses [ was: Intern… nalini.elkins
- Re: [EAI] [IETF] Multiple Addresses [ was: Intern… John C Klensin