Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs
"Charles Lindsey" <chl@clerew.man.ac.uk> Wed, 05 October 2011 10:08 UTC
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Subject: Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs
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On Tue, 04 Oct 2011 02:42:57 +0100, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote: >>> If then, as is likely, they start to appear, then we will see how they >>> cope and decide how best to regulate them in a future standard. >> >> Meanwhile, the propagation of such articles will be very bad. > > News servers aren't going to be thrilled about messages with > unencoded UTF-8 in other headers, either. > > They'll have to upgrade to handle EAI, just like mail servers will. I > suppose we might want to invent some new NNTP verb that lets hosts > tell each other whether they can accept EAI messages, but this is most > definitely not the current EAI group's problem. No they won't. User agents will have to be upgraded if people want to read the utf-8 stuff, or to reply by mail to articles From: people with utf-8 addresses. But the existing servers will handle all this just fine except insofar as they might be rejecting (unnecessarily) utf-8 in some headers where it did not matter. Servers will expect to be able to compare Message-IDs for equality by a simple octet-by-octet comparison, and they will expect Dates to be comparable (<,=,>), but I don't think EAI has changed that. Even Newsgroup names with utf-8 in them will work, as has alredy been demonstrated on the existing network, (so long as octet-by-octet comparison works, which means some severe normalization). As to whether it is any of this WG's business, it is certainly NOT the business of this WG to put obstacles in the way of other mail-like protocols which might want to follow the EAI path. -- Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------ Tel: +44 161 436 6131 Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl Email: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K. PGP: 2C15F1A9 Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E 14 A4 AB A5
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs John Levine
- [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Frank Ellermann
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs ned+ima
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Charles Lindsey
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs ned+ima
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Dave CROCKER
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs John C Klensin
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs John Levine
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Frank Ellermann
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Frank Ellermann
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs ned+ima
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs ned+ima
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs ned+ima
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs John C Klensin
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs ned+ima
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Charles Lindsey
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Frank Ellermann
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs ned+ima
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Chris Newman
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs John C Klensin
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Charles Lindsey
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Dave CROCKER
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs John C Klensin
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Charles Lindsey
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Julien ÉLIE
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs John C Klensin
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Charles Lindsey
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Julien ÉLIE
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Charles Lindsey
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs John C Klensin
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Frank Ellermann
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs John Levine
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs John C Klensin
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Julien ÉLIE
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Frank Ellermann
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Julien ÉLIE
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Julien ÉLIE
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Frank Ellermann
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs John C Klensin
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Frank Ellermann
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Charles Lindsey
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Julien ÉLIE