Re: [imap5] Feature set? - was Re: Designing a new replacement protocol for IMAP

Tony Finch <dot@dotat.at> Fri, 17 February 2012 11:30 UTC

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Subject: Re: [imap5] Feature set? - was Re: Designing a new replacement protocol for IMAP
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Adrien de Croy <adrien@qbik.com> wrote:
>
> I think the guys that developed SMTP would disagree with you.  The reason the
> envelope is even specified in SMTP rather than the receiver simply scraping
> them out of the message, is that sometimes you need to deliver a message
> somewhere other than the To: / bcc: headers.

I don't believe that is true for message submission. See the discussion in
RCF 5322 about how the BCC header can turned into a message envelope (or
in some cases, several).

Tony.
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