Re: [Int-area] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-16: (with COMMENT)

"Templin (US), Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com> Tue, 03 September 2019 16:19 UTC

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From: "Templin (US), Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>
To: Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com>, Joe Touch <touch@strayalpha.com>, Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in>
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Thread-Topic: [Int-area] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-16: (with COMMENT)
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Subject: Re: [Int-area] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-16: (with COMMENT)
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Fernando, RFC7872 seems to document the state of the Internet at a given point
of time. I do not know if things have gotten better or worse for extension headers
in the Internet since that time, but I believe that support for extension headers in
the Internet must become more robust. Fragmentation is one reason. Another is
the proposed MTU extension header, and there are still others. Let's not ossify
the IPv6 Internet yet the way the IPv4 Internet is ossified.

Fred

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fernando Gont [mailto:fgont@si6networks.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2019 8:57 AM
> To: Templin (US), Fred L <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>om>; Joe Touch <touch@strayalpha.com>om>; Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in>
> Cc: Joel Halpern <joel.halpern@ericsson.com>om>; draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile@ietf.org; int-area@ietf.org; The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>rg>;
> intarea-chairs@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Int-area] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-16: (with COMMENT)
> 
> On 3/9/19 18:41, Templin (US), Fred L wrote:
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Fernando Gont [mailto:fgont@si6networks.com]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2019 7:50 AM
> >> To: Templin (US), Fred L <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>om>; Joe Touch <touch@strayalpha.com>om>; Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in>
> >> Cc: Joel Halpern <joel.halpern@ericsson.com>om>; draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile@ietf.org; int-area@ietf.org; The IESG
> <iesg@ietf.org>rg>;
> >> intarea-chairs@ietf.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Int-area] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-16: (with COMMENT)
> >>
> >> On 3/9/19 17:33, Templin (US), Fred L wrote:
> >>> Why was this section taken out:
> >>>
> >>>> 1.1.  IP-in-IP Tunnels
> >>>>
> >>>>    This document acknowledges that in some cases, packets must be
> >>>>    fragmented within IP-in-IP tunnels [I-D.ietf-intarea-tunnels].
> >>>>    Therefore, this document makes no additional recommendations
> >>>>    regarding IP-in-IP tunnels.
> >>>
> >>> Tunnels always inflate the size of packets to the point that they may exceed
> >>> the path MTU even if the original packet is no larger than the path MTU. And,
> >>> for IPv6 the only guarantee is 1280. Therefore, in order to robustly support
> >>> the minimum IPv6 MTU tunnels MUST employ fragmentation.
> >>
> >> Isn't that an oxymoron? If fragmentation is fragile, if you need
> >> something robust, you need to rely on something else....
> >
> > IPv6 fragmentation is not fragile - only IPv4 fragmentation is fragile.
> 
> * RFC7872.
> * https://blog.apnic.net/2017/08/22/dealing-ipv6-fragmentation-dns/
> 
> These seems pretty fragile to me. YMMV, though.
> 
> Thanks,
> --
> Fernando Gont
> SI6 Networks
> e-mail: fgont@si6networks.com
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