Re: [Int-area] New Version Notification for draft-li-int-aggregation-00.txt

Dino Farinacci <farinacci@gmail.com> Tue, 01 March 2022 03:56 UTC

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From: Dino Farinacci <farinacci@gmail.com>
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Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2022 19:56:28 -0800
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But if LISP is running in CPE routers, the enterprise has a say on which paths are used to get to a destination EID. So I would argue the enterprise does have impact.

Dino

> On Feb 28, 2022, at 12:49 PM, touch@strayalpha.com wrote:
> 
> FWIW:
> 
>> On Feb 28, 2022, at 9:46 AM, Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> wrote:
>> 
>> I just said you can unfortunately not claim to be an Internet ISP and
>> not carry the whole bloody BGP routing table by just using LISP (unfortunately).
>> 
>> Aka: Joe touch pointed out that something like LISP (on-demand routing information
>> if thats an appropriate classification in our context here) is part of overall
>> routing architecture (which i wholeheartedly agree), but its alas not a sufficient
>> option to become an Internet ISP, and so i argued its not part of the "Internet Architecture"
>> as it is reelevant to this doc.
> 
> Agreed. This is a common misconception; LISP and ‘recursive routers’ (which is what I’ve called them for two decades) hide routing from the core by pushing the work to the edge of an enterprise (in an unscalable manner). But they have no impact on how enterprises interconnect.
> 
> So, to me at least, they ARE part of the Internet architecture, but don’t replace the need for backbone routing. They just isolate it from pockets under a single enterprise’s control.
> 
> Joe