Re: [Int-area] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-16: (with COMMENT)

"Templin (US), Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com> Wed, 04 September 2019 17:48 UTC

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From: "Templin (US), Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica=40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>, Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com>, Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com>, Joe Touch <touch@strayalpha.com>
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Subject: Re: [Int-area] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-16: (with COMMENT)
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Hi Ron,

No need to throw out the baby with the bathwater. Simply shorten Section 5.3 to
the following:

>   5.3.  Packet-in-Packet Encapsulations
>
>   This document acknowledges that in some cases, packets must be
>   fragmented within IP-in-IP tunnels.  Therefore, this document makes no
>   additional recommendations regarding IP-in-IP tunnels.
>   See [I-D.ietf-intarea-tunnels] for further discussion.

and then update 'intarea-tunnels' to include the new information on 9180 MTU
fragmenting tunnels that I posted in my previous list post.

But, I agree with your observation that there is tribal knowledge here contained
in a body whose average age is pushing retirement (self included) so all the more
reason to capture it now.

Fred

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Int-area [mailto:int-area-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ron Bonica
> Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2019 10:35 AM
> To: Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com>om>; Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com>om>; Joe Touch <touch@strayalpha.com>
> Cc: Joel Halpern <joel.halpern@ericsson.com>om>; draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile@ietf.org; int-area@ietf.org; IESG <iesg@ietf.org>rg>;
> intarea-chairs@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Int-area] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-16: (with COMMENT)
> 
> Folks,
> 
> We appear to be rehashing issues that have been debated passionately before. And I think that we have the following options:
> 
> 1)  Continue to debate, as if we might someday converge on consensus.
> 2)  Agree to disagree.
> 
> If we follow the first path, we will need a continuity plan. As those who are participating in the debate age, retire, and pass on to the
> next life, they will need to be replaced by new participants. Otherwise, the debate will subside without concluding.
> 
> If we follow the second path, we will need to figure out what to do with this document. Options are:
> 
> - Abandon it
> - Progress it as it was approved by the IESG and ignoring all contrary opinions
> - Progress it as it was approved by the IESG and add an appendix recording contrary opinions and identifying them as such
> - Progress it as it was approved by the IESG, deleting controversial sections and remaining silent on these issues
> 
> Does anybody see any other options?
> 
>                         Mischievously yours,
>                                  Ron
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