Re: [Int-area] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-intarea-probe-09: (with COMMENT)

Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net> Thu, 14 December 2017 17:04 UTC

Return-Path: <rbonica@juniper.net>
X-Original-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EA0C129431; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 09:04:01 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=juniper.net
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y_gGUEclHmDW; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 09:03:59 -0800 (PST)
Received: from mx0b-00273201.pphosted.com (mx0b-00273201.pphosted.com [67.231.152.164]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D3F0126C0F; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 09:03:59 -0800 (PST)
Received: from pps.filterd (m0108161.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by mx0b-00273201.pphosted.com (8.16.0.21/8.16.0.21) with SMTP id vBEH2Lwv012077; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 09:03:57 -0800
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=juniper.net; h=from : to : cc : subject : date : message-id : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding : mime-version; s=PPS1017; bh=8s6OX9Y8dYeYDLCwwWywxSx3ywyR2wzK4ss3PNiCKDY=; b=bRWVWGYjFLt9z5rzNHStmvBreZFIHhfJB3TbwkEjyGunnfSy6uk5axdRLOKSKB707dJs svev24wdHoezpJovwAoA4kqeY9BLw1Fs+FAolAHRx/TtrLaYgp9wVF1RRtew/QZuDLtC quxYrhxAJZPE6yMJq7NBBVPw/UqrV4FaxfGfool50LSr5WS3A8+mxXUpZz/m3btGwdOB Esafbj/y1AbpIgK8jP5IMmCLVi0/6z4equZ/XzTIFwsjASXuhiW44zB21CwGz1gmA7BI cdeAYSK+VeMFRHbY0KPiO8TzCrEHLyW/U7bKMqeTpK75MvKFpy5dbgzIbgIdH586xCDz Ag==
Received: from nam03-co1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-co1nam03lp0018.outbound.protection.outlook.com [216.32.181.18]) by mx0b-00273201.pphosted.com with ESMTP id 2eutw58bvh-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 14 Dec 2017 09:03:57 -0800
Received: from BLUPR0501MB2051.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.164.23.21) by BLUPR0501MB2051.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.164.23.21) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384_P256) id 15.20.323.4; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 17:03:54 +0000
Received: from BLUPR0501MB2051.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ([10.164.23.21]) by BLUPR0501MB2051.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ([10.164.23.21]) with mapi id 15.20.0323.011; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 17:03:54 +0000
From: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
To: Ben Campbell <ben@nostrum.com>, The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>
CC: "draft-ietf-intarea-probe@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-intarea-probe@ietf.org>, Luigi Iannone <ggx@gigix.net>, "intarea-chairs@ietf.org" <intarea-chairs@ietf.org>, "ggx@gigix.net" <ggx@gigix.net>, "int-area@ietf.org" <int-area@ietf.org>
Thread-Topic: Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-intarea-probe-09: (with COMMENT)
Thread-Index: AQHTdIk6qHHqeqa6VUCMqya37elQT6NDDTuA
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 17:03:54 +0000
Message-ID: <BLUPR0501MB2051B013791B5F9EC3B67DA2AE0A0@BLUPR0501MB2051.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <151322108093.6178.3442590912691561741.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com>
In-Reply-To: <151322108093.6178.3442590912691561741.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com>
Accept-Language: en-US
Content-Language: en-US
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
x-originating-ip: [66.129.241.12]
x-ms-publictraffictype: Email
x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1; BLUPR0501MB2051; 6:cRFOjoEIJq8fvnQPnic3RDFMKyJS9WyO3CBy9ZrEGIphcpna1pezNWIHmIUXwimRsbUCaAEZY+pOxaYQ/mUXup5LK5xhmGAVhbxlH3ie5Vh1/OS5IKwO281oq4eU8+Tr46wXERa/Ox0PjoVxaY6Zco+Dku1V/Ra07ALGT0AvknszuxFUbL05GViXszr2q7VriYkaKVezyCGylBiyV9hsP0xDFPdAJaXO3QORjTmUzC4e+kWaUyprjwJf9ctO6KCV5Bc9O021vlQJOg0tw9hbxIWI0azVDTfSip9ypVzmU57Y8XCAZT46WiSj5JX5wkDRgBgrFUlcCXI8xYlHq6q2S/m2WCtCB8Pp6q5XCGlKyX4=; 5:HoSH8P9J/QfrFWVSC1NDxaQNmM9c+gRSMT8WDDbFWy92FLJDjYa9ZOINl72PRRM24z64kt9MTZW2woay8BXn1QKc2vZjgCltQbSz8PARST0wJWGuO5C0OBYj9Ayzlc3c8Qcl+xwNEhFMGOVApRJyuQ1JDBwDG9VHXoV4m4fH3to=; 24:AfkG+odFFqgMyJW6iCBeqAM/aIjwgHxtZPnvccNZ0dSd8OKneFVZ4UuAEsXGvXM1ekPpwzNPi5XWye8P3VF+TWLgXEOU7GAVR+kb/t5zwec=; 7:p+A9jn5XsjMZ0obaHq6OBkaqklmtufnSvgC8pxEVptPK8MZKl1sS0jDgYue1mPCwBM7DVixDs0OR25MZenuaRX5HXYlT/l+rdJZSxjC19f4/8er/lwZhOcFr1ybZ3gNexIULE1SDI8DIlRRTO7yW7SLN8yZuUvuHlWytToRw8tGz5wSaXLCNLGc8MAveoEZrKQlVhZguK3WlvWgUSZTAuJok3or/+4SV+/22PBVPkDocmaigOEbq93xRPFNsd07Q
x-ms-exchange-antispam-srfa-diagnostics: SSOS;
x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: a313ba80-291b-436b-5f76-08d54314a837
x-ms-office365-filtering-ht: Tenant
x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(5600026)(4604075)(48565401081)(4534020)(4602075)(4627115)(201703031133081)(201702281549075)(2017052603307); SRVR:BLUPR0501MB2051;
x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: BLUPR0501MB2051:
x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: <BLUPR0501MB2051B5535763A0D869B1B0F1AE0A0@BLUPR0501MB2051.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:(192374486261705);
x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(6040450)(2401047)(5005006)(8121501046)(10201501046)(3002001)(93006095)(93001095)(3231023)(6055026)(6041248)(20161123562025)(201703131423075)(201702281528075)(201703061421075)(201703061406153)(20161123564025)(20161123560025)(20161123555025)(20161123558100)(6072148)(201708071742011); SRVR:BLUPR0501MB2051; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(100000803101)(100110400095); SRVR:BLUPR0501MB2051;
x-forefront-prvs: 05214FD68E
x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(376002)(346002)(366004)(396003)(39860400002)(189003)(199004)(13464003)(51914003)(3660700001)(6506007)(5660300001)(86362001)(2950100002)(105586002)(25786009)(305945005)(53936002)(7736002)(106356001)(81166006)(8676002)(7696005)(2900100001)(6246003)(2906002)(76176011)(81156014)(4326008)(59450400001)(3280700002)(53546011)(97736004)(3846002)(66066001)(33656002)(99286004)(9686003)(77096006)(102836003)(55016002)(14454004)(68736007)(230783001)(8936002)(316002)(6116002)(478600001)(54906003)(6436002)(110136005)(74316002)(229853002); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:BLUPR0501MB2051; H:BLUPR0501MB2051.namprd05.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1; LANG:en;
received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: juniper.net does not designate permitted sender hosts)
spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99
spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: a313ba80-291b-436b-5f76-08d54314a837
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 14 Dec 2017 17:03:54.1995 (UTC)
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: bea78b3c-4cdb-4130-854a-1d193232e5f4
X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BLUPR0501MB2051
X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:, , definitions=2017-12-14_11:, , signatures=0
X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=outbound_spam_notspam policy=outbound_spam score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1711220000 definitions=main-1712140233
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/int-area/8S5eQ2lFt_CA6Q1w8Nw1l-EyaJ4>
Subject: Re: [Int-area] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-intarea-probe-09: (with COMMENT)
X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List <int-area.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/int-area>, <mailto:int-area-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/int-area/>
List-Post: <mailto:int-area@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:int-area-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area>, <mailto:int-area-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 17:04:01 -0000

Hi Ben,

Thanks for the review. Comments inline.....

                    Ron

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ben Campbell [mailto:ben@nostrum.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 10:11 PM
> To: The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>
> Cc: draft-ietf-intarea-probe@ietf.org; Luigi Iannone <ggx@gigix.net>;
> intarea-chairs@ietf.org; ggx@gigix.net; int-area@ietf.org
> Subject: Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-intarea-probe-09: (with
> COMMENT)
> 
> Ben Campbell has entered the following ballot position for
> draft-ietf-intarea-probe-09: No Objection
> 
> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email
> addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory
> paragraph, however.)
> 
> 
   [snip]
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> COMMENT:
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> -1.2: There is at least one lower case MUST. Unless that is intended as
> normative, please consider using the boilerplate from RFC8174.
[RB ] 
Thanks! This will be fixed in the next version.

> 
> -8, last paragraph: "MUST NOT leak information" seems more like a goal or a
> statement of fact than a normative requirement. (I think the 2nd MUST in
> that paragraph describes the real normative requirement")
> 
[RB ] 
I respectfully disagree. If PROBE leaks information between routing instances, we will have created a rather serious security vulnerability. So, this is a standing-on-our-heads-serious requirement.

                                                                                       Ron